Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bernardo Giner de los Rios

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the nomination was keep. – Avi 00:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bernardo Giner de los Rios

Less than 200 google hits and many of them are not about the subject. I can't seem to find any notable sources on this one. אמר Steve Caruso _(poll) 16:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, fails WP:BIO. Keep, is indeed notable. --Coredesat talk 22:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete unless it is properly sourced. Eluchil404 18:39, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, lack of sources. OSU80 00:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - the article itself describes his notability - much of which in itself appears minor, though is not insignificant, and the cumulative effect of which is to build up the body of an interesting man. A lot of his activity took place in the years before the internet, and in Spain, so finding a lot of sources is perhaps asking too much. However - he directed Boletín de la Institución Libre de Enseñanza for 9 years - and a search for that publication returns 25,700 ghits. The books mentioned do exist and are for sale. He was "Minister of Communications, Transport and Public Works" during the Spanish Civil War. He was "General Secretary of the Presidency of the Republic". He seems exactly the sort of person a modern and expansive and liberal encyclopedia like Wiki should be picking up and writing articles on. Added to which, the article is damn well written. SilkTork 14:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Ezeu 06:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I think this is a bit of a WP:NN - he designed some schools and other buildings - isn't that what architects do ??? If none of his designs were particularly notable, then neither is he DavidHumphreys ^{SPEAK TO ME}ABOUT _{THE THINGS I MESSED UP} 06:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment - The article makes clear that his notability is for his writings more than his buildings. This man wasn't just an architect, he was also responsible for Boletín de la Institución Libre de Enseñanza for nearly 10 years - an influential and important publication. He wrote 50 Años de Arquitectura Española. He was also a part of the Repblic government during the Spanish civil war. SilkTork 09:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Delete, I don't like to see well-written articles deleted. That said, it needs sources to prove notability, because right now Ghits aren't turning up much. I think an article on him may be of more use on Spanish WP than this site, but if someone can turn up sources for all this--even a print source from your local library--I'd feel okay with keeping it. HumbleGod 07:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC) Keep per trialsanderrors 08:52 HumbleGod 10:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment From Wikipedia:Notability: The recent fundraising page says, "Imagine a world in which every person has free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing." We are not doing that if we are deleting articles solely due to their obscurity. "Detailed obscure topics hurt no-one because it's pretty hard to find them by accident, and Wikipedia isn't paper" (from Wikipedia:Importance). The man is verifiable. A search shows that he has done the things the article says he has done. The things he has done lift him above the ordinary, and while they do not make him famous they certainly show his life has coloured and enriched the lives of others. His contributions form part of the fabric of the history of Spain and in particular of the debate surrounding Spanish architecture. Ghits is a controversial test anyway and in this case is inappropriate given that this is a Spaniard (a country with a small interest presence) who was mainly active in the days before the internet and in a field which doesn't tend to attract the interest of internet geeks. My feeling is that the article itself (the contents of which are verifiable) gives a good explanation of how notable the man is. SilkTork 09:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - For the reasons given above in my previous comments. SilkTork 09:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Architect of schools, don't see it. No article in Spanish WP. | Keep after finding his book in the UC library. ~ trialsanderrors 08:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Wouldn't adding information about his book to the article help both the article and the deletion process? -- Mikeblas 13:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I posted all I could find on the talk page. ~ trialsanderrors 16:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: This article meets notability criteria. Dajhorn 13:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, several print sources can be found with Google Book Search, and he seems to meet WP:BIO as a politician during a significant period of his national history. The article needs those sources adding, and it needs more information on his political activity. It does not, however, need deleting. — Haeleth Talk 15:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep among other things was a Government Minister during the Civil War. Dlyons493 Talk 17:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Appears to meet notability requirements --Kungfu Adam ^(talk) 17:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.