Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bengkulu people

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Already redirected. -Splash - tk 22:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bengkulu people

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Delete - the Bengkulu ethnic group does not exist, at least as per the Indonesian 2000 census. There is a Bengkulu Malay language, but the ethnic group is Malay. See the list of ethnic groups listed at Bengkulu. Caniago 05:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep or if really not existing redirect to the appropriate group. Please cite sources for your claim of non existence, as sources for existence exist. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: I've already stated my sources they don't exist - they don't appear on the Indonesian census. The only sources you have provided in the article are religious mission websites which have no academic founding at all. You may as well also cite some Scientology websites. (Caniago 04:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC))
    • Redirect to Malay (ethnic group) to avoid that other people recreate it. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete. The article is not supported by the sources. #1 is just a nonspecific illustration #2 says "The Bengkulu people live in the city of Bengkulu, the capital of the province of Bengkulu...The Bengkulu people are descended from the union of multiple peoples who have migrated to the area, including the Melayu (Malay), Minangkabau, Aceh, Bugis, Banten and Jawa (Java) peoples. The Bengkulu language is a branch of the Melayu language cluster" #3 says "Since they have characteristics that closely resemble those of Malays along the eastern Sumatra coast, they are properly referred to as Bengkulu Malay." This shows enough of a misconception to warrant recreation of the article from scratch. of course, it can be edited if kept. DGG 23:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. In addition to the concerns raised here (even the 'keep' indicates he is not sure of the validity), the only reference is a religious site of a low academic value. A standard not high enough in my opinion despite presumbaly high intentions. I'd say the reference is completely unreliable as the national figures are so wrong they are funny. Why are there two groups 'Javanese' and 'Javanese Indonesian'? Same for Sundanese. Muslims are only 43% of the population while Christians are 13%? Wrong. And who are 'new religionists' and where did the figures come from? I suggest that reference be removed. And it appears from above that even the 'keep' voter is himself suggesting he is not really sure of their existance as a distinct ethnic group.Merbabu 09:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete. Being an Indonesian and have been lived there for more than 20 years, this is the first time I heard about the ethnic group name which is merely derived from a province or a city name. The source is very unreliable. Sorry, it does not pass WP:NOTABILITY. — Indon (reply) — 18:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment on redirect. Tobias, why did you redirect it to Malay (ethnic group)? Are we done with this discussion? — Indon (reply) — 19:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
    • As the creater of the page, I wanted to clean WP from maybe not so good sourced information. At the same time some other people may one day look for the Bengkulu people. To avoid recreation and further re-discussions IMO it is best to redirect. There is no policy that says redirects are forbidden. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect. The term apparently is in use out there, quality of the sources notwithstanding. Might as well redirect it to the next best match.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletions. --   ⇒ bsnowball  14:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.