Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Arthur (musician)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 22:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ben Arthur (musician)

I'm a bit iffy on this one, but I really don't think this artist meets the requirements of WP:MUSIC at this point. The page states he's opened for several big-name artists, and has three albums. The first two albums, as near as I can tell, were released independently, and the third album is on Bardic Records - a company that has little to no 'net coverage (I found one reference to its website - which is a domain placeholder). References to the artist himself are slim as well; the one interview in the article goes to a web-based magazine that refers to the artist playing a lot of high schools. WP:MUSIC suggests two major-label (or at least reasonably well-known label) albums, a national tour, awards, etc.; I see none of the above. PROD was removed, so I bring it here. Delete - with no concerns over a recreation if Mr. Arthur breaks more widely. Tony Fox (arf!) 02:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep he's listed on AMG and they've reviewed his album on Bardic [1]. His 2000 album was on The Orchard (music label) apparently. would seem to meet WP:MUSIC based on that. Also, Google search suggests there's some reliable sources with information on him, so article could be expanded. --W.marsh 02:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, BaseballBaby 10:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per W.Marsh. I would like to see some source citation for the opening acts but the legit label and the album review puts it in good standing with WP:MUSIC. 205.157.110.11 10:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom for failing WP:MUSIC. He's just not there, yet. WP:MUSIC requires charted hits, national tours, two or more albums released by a major label, and multiple non-trivial third-party articles (not just one or two). The Google search which "suggests" that reliable sources exist, only shows me there's a lot of people named Ben Arthur. I do see a lot of listings at download sites, which I presume is him, that may inflate the Ghits, but that's why Google isn't the final arbiter of notability. I would be more impressed by the AllMusic review if they weren't by just any registered member. Tychocat 11:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment - In regards to W.marsh above, The Orchard (music label), upon looking at their website, is not a label, but a digital distributor of music *for* indie labels and artists. They distribute some big-name artists, but I'll note that this fellow isn't on their list at present (unless he's included in the 'And 14,000 more' at the bottom of the list). (Looks like their article needs some work to reflect this.) Tony Fox (arf!) 20:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment It looks like his first two albums were on his own label called "Chicken Butter". So that probably needs to be updated. The Bethling 00:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep The Modern Troubadors tour that he was a part of was reasonably significant at over 20 cities. Toss in reviews at Rolling Stone, and CMJ on the newest album and I think he squeaks past WP:MUSIC The Bethling 00:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep per Bethling. Having a nationwide tour and a album reviewed by Rolling Stone clearly passes WP:MUSIC. Agne 03:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per evidence of external coverage provided above. Kappa 06:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, with the results that folks have turned up - and believe me, I did work on this one for a while and didn't manage to turn those up - I'd be happy to Withdraw this nomination at this point (or just let it go to the keep that it's likely to get). I still have questions about the quality of the references (looks like there's a lot of indie bands being reviewed by Rolling Stone, for example), but it looks like he's squeaking over the line at this point. Admins? Tony Fox (arf!) 17:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Rolling stone is a major music magazine. One article does not automatically mean notability on wikipedia. User:Yy-bo 21:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.