Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Belzebuub

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was REDIRECT to Beelzebub. This all appears to have come out in the wash; the redirect is already in place and the main discussion transported to another VfD. -Splash 00:47, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Belzebuub

Promotional page for non-notable character. See Google on Belzebuub. Tearlach 15:54, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Note: page moved to Mark H. Pritchard, VfD refreshed at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Mark H. Pritchard. Tearlach 20:43, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

• Redirect to Beelzebub. --Scimitar ^parley 18:04, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Belzebuub is a notable character. He is known by tens of thousands of individuals who have been greatly affected by his life and work. It is arrogant of you to state that he is "non-notable" when people around the world take part in his courses and read his books. See Amazon on Belzebuub

Adreamsoul 21:04, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Belzebuub. --Adreamsoul ^parley 16:08, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Delete Just get rid of it, apparently nobody on Wikipedia has an open mind enough to find the information of any use; from what pure nonsense i've seen here, nobody here is even worthy receiving this information. Since the only spiritual beliefs that matter to Wikipedians are those of the corrupt organizations already in existence; anything that isn't already corrupted by mainstream mediocrity and greed should be deleted. Only corrupt mainstream-accepted information is allowed on the Wikipedia (i.e. information from organizations that collect large sums of money from their members "on behalf of god"), not information from individuals who give away electronic copies of their information and seek no financial support from their students. Good luck finding any truly valuable information from an organization founded on the pervasive principles of modern day religious organizations. I'm sorry that I'm not like everyone else, and I'm sorry that Belzebuub has a different way of portraying himself than most people. I hope that reading the article didn't offend anyone's fragile constitution. Adreamsoul 20:07, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete and redirect to Beelzebub. --Carnildo 23:27, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
• Aaaaah!! They say if you wikilink any particular spelling three times, you summon the Beast! Revert! Revert, I tell you! Barno 01:51, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep -- the book isn't doing too horrible on Amazon and it seems well-reviewed. Author may become more notable in his field at a later date. --Howcheng 15:56, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. There is no support for the POV claims in this article. If the book is notable, write an article on it, not on its non-notable author. Zoe 18:59, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I forgot the outrageously POV aspect: Known to history as a famous demon, Belzebuub later repented in the internal worlds with the help of Master Samael Aun Weor - wanting to transform himself back into a Being of light. To do this, he was given a physical body with the name of Mark H. Pritchard. Is that supposed to be an encyclopedic statement? Tearlach 03:02, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

i don't see why the wikipedia should discount this information merely because it is of a spiritual nature. Channels and other spiritual leaders have done a great deal to help humanity. The work of Belzebuub has helped many people achieve the ability to perform Astral Projection; it has also helped many people to become aware of higher spiritual states. I, honestly, cannot see the harm in displaying such ideas. Adreamsoul 03:43, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

The problem is not the ideas, but their presentation from a single point of view. If kept, the material would need presenting in a way acceptable to both those who believe it and to the majority of readers who think it extremely unlikely that some guy in Australia is literally the incarnation of a reformed major-league demon. Tearlach 10:54, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Are you saying it would be more likely if he was from someplace other than Australia?  ;) Zoe 19:40, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, you're right, Zoe. It happens quite commonly elsewhere. I actually am the incarnation of Asmodeus. A man called Obi Khan Wenobi, showed me the error of my ways, and I'm a being of light now. Tearlach 23:51, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

I hope you have fun poking fun at new age spirituality, obviously you have none yourself. You're so damn intelligent to make fun of what you don't understand. Adreamsoul 21:59, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

• I attempted to make the article more neutral. The body of the article about Belzebuub's life has been changed to more of a neutral perspective. I have also added a section of criticism; please add your criticisms to it. I hope that this makes the article more valueable to the wikipedia. Adreamsoul 15:28, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect per Scimitar. Show me material by noted authorities in Judeo-Christian mythology (in this case, I would prefer Jesuits, but there are other choices) who says this guy is a demon made flesh, and I'll think about a keep instead. Ken ^{talk|contribs} 12:08, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

What do you think that the "Jesuit Authorities" know? What makes you think that because some religious entity is established that it is correct? Just because something has been around for a long time doesn't mean it is legitimate, take the catholic church for example and all of the corruption therin. Adreamsoul 13:34, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Jesuits are Catholic and more than legitimate authorities on theirs and other religions. If they said he was, I'd listen too, despite not being religious. -eric ✈ 21:22, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

The Catholic church is one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. They have committed so many crimes against humanity throught history: pedophile preists, getting the top Nazis out of Germany after WWII, selling indulgences to "pay your way to heaven", sending children on crusades and then selling them into slavery... It is beyond me why anyone would ever trust such an organization. There is no such thing as spirituality within such an organization. God help anyone who tries to get spirituality at a church, they have none! They have encouraged individuals like yourselves to do whatever they can to discredit anyone who claims to have spiritual information that is different from theirs. Maybe you should delete the wiki on catholicism if you really want to do the world a favor! Adreamsoul 21:56, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

• Redirect to Beelzebub. --Ceejayoz 17:27, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect (unless the Jesuits arrive! huzzah!) -eric ✈ 21:22, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

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