Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beltar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to List of Greyhawk deities. Keilana^talk_(recall) 02:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Beltar

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Fails WP:NOT#PLOT because it is only a plot summary. Fails WP:FICT due to lakc of secondary independent sources. The problems with this article cannot be resolved. Pilotbob (talk) 06:01, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, D&Dcruft. This fictional character is not notable outside of the D&D universe. Lankiveil (talk) 13:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC).
• Keep, or at the very least redirect to List of Greyhawk deities. BOZ (talk) 15:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletions. --Gavin Collins (talk) 19:25, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
• Merge to Suel pantheon.--Robbstrd (talk) 23:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge to Suel pantheon. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:33, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete plenty of coverage, but none of it third-party. I expect this is true of the whole pantheon. Percy Snoodle (talk) 17:13, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
• Merge per Robbstrd. Iquander (talk) 19:16, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Comment Problem is, there is no Suel pantheon article, which is why I suggested List of Greyhawk deities for the merge destination. BOZ (talk) 20:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but the exisitng Greyhawk deities article is a list and would be hard to put text in there as it would make it a very long article indeed - a subarticle would allow for the text to be conserved. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:06, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

That's fine, but would the article have to be created before the merge, or would the article be redirected or what? BOZ (talk) 22:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete as this deity has no notability outside Suel pantheon, let alone the role-playing game for which this stock character was created. --Gavin Collins (talk) 05:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Stock character? You really should read both that article and this one before making the claim. Edward321 (talk) 22:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

  Better idea: Let's Merge this article to user:Pilotbob or User:Gavin.collins so they can work on improving it.--Robbstrd (talk) 11:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

  Gavin.collins and Pilotbob are not alone in their belief that these articles are not encyclopedic. If RPG articles are to be retained on Wikipedia, they must be sourced. If sources cannot be found, articles should be deleted until they can be recreated with sources. AnteaterZot (talk) 04:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

This article is sourced. Did you not see the "references" section?--Robbstrd (talk) 22:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

• Redirect to List of Greyhawk deities or Merge somewhere, as appropriate. Subject is not strong enough to warrant an article of this magnitude. Compsword01 (talk) 23:03, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as it is a character from a notable game series with references provided in the article. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:59, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

There are no sources found in that article independent of the subject. Pilotbob (talk) 22:09, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Sources simply do not establish real-world notability. They barely establish notability for the topic within the game. AnteaterZot (talk) 03:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Merge as per Boz. Edward321 (talk) 22:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.