Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Belgium embassy girls

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 03:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Belgium embassy girls

prod stub removed by author w/o hangon; factual & grammatical errors; no source provided; event incorporated into Child abduction -- Robocoder 01:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

• Comment It did happen, as the BBC reported [1], but the article title does not really seem to represent an accepted or suitable name for the event. Is this the only article we have about this story? Could be included somewhere in the wider context of Belgian-Iranian relations, or international tug-of-love cases. Deizio 02:02, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep, good work David Sneek and Fan1967. Needs to be renamed, I would personally go with Yasmine and Sara Pourhashemi, with redirects from their names, their surname, the current article name and also "Belgian Embassy girls" for good measure. Deizio 15:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I have cleaned up the formatting to at least make it readable. Looks almost like it might have been a copy and paste. Fan1967 02:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into something appropriate. I don't know what would be in this article other than, "One day, this happened". --Deville (Talk) 02:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete already merged into Child abduction by another user. Not encyclopedic on its own. GRBerry 02:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --MaNeMeBasat 05:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per GRBerry and nom. SorryGuy 06:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep pending a rewrite and name change, possibly just to the names of one or more of the girls. Any sort of diplomatic incident like this would surely have attracted significant press coverage, especially given contemporary Western attitudes about Iran and the whole Not Without My Daughter hubbub in the eighties. --Saforrest 06:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete It's been merged, so kill this as its never-gonna-be-more-than-a-stub. -- GWO
• Delete - since it has been merged. Needs a rewrite anyway. - Richardcavell 09:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, clean up, expand and move to Yasmine Pourhashemi (the name of the elder sister) or Pourhashemi sisters. The girls lived in the Belgian embassy in Tehran for almost half a year, which caused a diplomatic crisis between Belgium and Iran (according to Belgian law they were Belgians, according to Iranian law Iranians). Big story in Belgium for months. David Sneek 17:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: I cleaned it up, please have a look. David Sneek 11:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: I cleaned up some more and created a Pourhashemi sisters article. -- FRCP11 14:13, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
• Abstain I prodded this article and did the merge into Child abduction because while the event was newsworthly, I don't believe it is noteworthy as an encyclopedic entry. (See WP:NOT re: news reports.) Anyone interested in the case can search news archives. Under Child abduction, the event serves a purpose to provide a historical example and outline the complications of international child abductions. -- Robocoder 15:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment While I appreciate the effort to merge the story into Child abduction, I do believe it is somewhat out of place in that article. I also can't help thinking that if this had happened to two American sisters, we'd have articles on both girls, another on the legal issues, one on their parents, and a complete timeline of all events. (See Joran van der Sloot for an example of the detailed treatment stories in the US news get here.) David Sneek 17:36, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment First, there was no abuse, and second, the girls were nabbed by their father who under Iranian law recognized he had legal custody. International child abduction is not unusual. The article mentions that the US State Department's Office of Children's Issues counted 904 abduction cases by U.S.-based parents in 2003.[2] Are those cases encyclopedic too? Meanwhile, Ronels is disputing my merge in Child abduction. -- Robocoder 18:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Obviously it is not the abduction that is notable, but the events that followed it. Two minors lived inside an embassy for over five months causing all kinds of diplomatic and legal problems, their case got intense media coverage in Belgium (and made the news in many other countries too), two foreign ministers and a prime minister had to get involved to find a solution: that is what makes it very different from other abductions. David Sneek 18:53, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Actually, I dont know that the article isn't encyclopedic as one editor stated -- as noted in another, the situation was news in Belgium "for months." That alone qualifies the situation, I think, for some encyclopedic treatment. As I note in my comments at Child abduction, however, the case isn't that signifcant in terms of child abduction or international child abduction. Ronels ^talk 22:27, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Then perhaps this is better incorporated into Kamal Kharrazi or Guy Verhofstadt as notable achievements in diplomacy? -- Robocoder 23:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

• Merge I originally created Belgium embassy girls. I think Belgium embassy girls and Pourhashemi sisters should be merged. So it can be accest by ether name. For example Embassy and Diplomatic_mission are the exact same article. Belgium embassy girls is also mention in Embassy and Diplomatic_mission and is link should be updated once this is settled . I also placed a different version in Child_abduction#Belgium_embassy_girls on an earlier date. I do not know who created the artickle Pourhashemi sisters. --Belginusanl 20:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.