Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bean Creek, Florida

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete as hoaxes all including Oklawaha County, Florida and template. This doesnt preclude recreation on approriately named articles. I'll be willing to restore and move as appropriate. New article naming should be include (fiction) or some other indicator that they arent real and no inclusion of/in florida templates. Gnangarra 04:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bean Creek, Florida

Bean Creek, Florida (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Patent hoax - if you follow the links, you'll find the location "does not exist on conventional maps but exists outside ordinary time and space". The only bluelinks in the sea of redlinks on {{Oklawaha County, Florida}} are a walled garden of hoaxes.

Also nominating:
Snipes Ford, Florida (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Oklawaha County, Florida (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Terminal Tavern (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
The Terminal Tavern (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (redirect page)

I haven't nominated {{Oklawaha County, Florida}} as it depends on the outcome of the AfDs on the articles; these are a bit of a funny one as despite being hoaxes, they could (conceivably) be kept and tagged {{in-universe}} as our old friend, "notable hoax" — iridescenti (talk to me!) 20:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment a few preliminaries: Did the author exist and was he notable? he has a wiki page, but the sourcing is basically his "memorial" webpage. A quick Google search shows a middle school and a Florida state beach, and a folk festival are named for him, so it seems that he's "real" and at least moderately notable. Was/were the work(s) of fiction notable? I cannot tell. We do have Lake Wobegon etc., although a suggestion to merge all the Wobegon places into a single article is pending. If so, having an article on the work(s) of fiction that would incoporate all these places in a single article (per WP:FICT). How can we determine whether the fictional "universe" of Rogers' is/was notable, "Gamble Rogers" + "Bean Creek" gets 80 ghits, for example. So I conclude that Bean Creek is not notable, but will the aggregate of all the "places" amount to notability? Without more complete knowledge of the corpus of the works, it may be quite difficult to get an answer. Carlossuarez46 22:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - I'm not suggesting deleting James Gamble Rogers IV, but IMO the comparison to Lake Wobegon (or Narnia, Hogwarts etc) isn't really fair - at most, these are fictional elements within songs and an unperformed play - the correct comparitor, even if we grant Rogers more notability than he appears to warrant, would be Julie Finkel (the fictional subject of all the Kinks songs about "Julie"). If kept, the articles could happily reside in the (very short) article on the artist — iridescenti (talk to me!) 23:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete these apparently are not notable -- the keepers bear this burden -- if they are in an unperformed play by a barely notable folk artist. Thanks for the clarification, but I was unfamiliar with Rogers or whether his corpus is a big deal to the folk art afficianados. Carlossuarez46 06:10, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - As keeper of these articles, my vote would be to combine the Terminal Tavern article and the two towns into the Oklawaha County, Florida article. All of the red links have existing content from other sources, but compiling the information is a daunting task. Until the red linked articles are created, separate articles for each town should not exist but rather redirects to the primary Oklawaha County, Florida page. Machawk1 14:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
    • See my reply on your talk page re this - I think as it stands the whole thing would be better as a single article on "the singer and his work" — iridescenti (talk to me!) 14:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I can't withdraw now there's a delete !vote, but Machawk1 has convinced me that the most sensible course would be to keep James Gamble Rogers IV and Oklawaha County, Florida as separate articles, with the remaining pages merged to one or the other; therefore, changing to Keep for Oklawaha County, Florida — iridescenti (talk to me!) 14:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.