Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bayview Elementary School (Vancouver)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge and redirect to School District 39 Vancouver. WaltonAssistance! 15:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bayview Elementary School (Vancouver)

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Another stellar example of a completely unnotable elementary school. Disputed prod, so bringing to AfD. Eusebeus 09:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment. That's a disambiguation page. Which one are you nomming? --Dynaflow babble 10:16, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict) This strikes me as a perfectly normal, charming little primary school (hey, and it's nearly 100 years old, too ... that's cool). I'm not sure why we need to delete this article. I don't see that it's any different to the thousands of other schools we would never dream of deleting because of "notability" (well, it's in Canada, not the USA, but is otherwise no different). Heck, the article itself has a list of primary schools in Vancouver, but the nominator doesn't seem to consider these to be non-notable, only this one. Why deliberately place a hole in our coverage? fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 10:35, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. It looks like someone has been working on a series of articles on all the elementary schools in Vancouver (Why?!). I'm of a mind to let this one live. It's an institution, it exists, it's probably enough press coverage at some point in its history to marginally satisfy WP:NOTE better than a lot of other things that have articles, thus passing the entirely spurious Pokémon Test, and deleting it would create a gaping hole in Wikipedia's heretofore solid and reliable coverage of Vancouverian (?) grammar schools. --Dynaflow babble 10:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
    • To be honest I find both of the above to be specious arguments. Either the subject is sufficiently notable to warrant an article, or it is not. There are many who argue that elementary schools are not sufficiently notable and should be redirected to school districts. There are also many who feel the reverse, of course (see WP:SCHOOLS for the length back and forth)). But the existence of a spate of other non-notable Vancouver-area primary schools is not grounds for keeping this one. And the others shall have their turn. Eusebeus 11:09, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. -- Canuckle 15:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong delete I now relize that this isn't notable. It was listed as a request article form a WikiProject so I wrote it. Selmo (talk) 15:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:N and WP:AWP:V. Author concedes school is nn. --Butseriouslyfolks 18:12, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Author is a (relative) newbie bitten by Eusebeus (see page history). I wouldn't place more value on his "concession" than I would on someone saying, "Well, if you want it gone so badly, I guess you must know more about notability." Notability in and of itself is a poor deletion rationale (especially if you say it like "nn" just to feel that warm little glow that says you've made life more difficult by using unnecessary jargon/abbreviation), because notability tends to be in the eye of the beholder: you say the article is non-notable, I say it is. Where do we go from there? I still do not see the reason for deliberately leaving a hole in otherwise comprehensive (or intended-to-be-comprehensive) lists, and I don't see why we need to throw this information out the window rather than, at the very least, merge it somewhere else. 203.122.238.225 04:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
WP:N is not as subjective as you indicate. It states that to be notable, a subject has to be discussed in a nontrivial fashion by multiple independent sources. This school does not appear to be, so it is not "notable" as defined by WP. --Butseriouslyfolks 18:27, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Kitsilano School District 39 Vancouver per the WP:LOCAL guideline, this page would be most useful as a redirect until more reliable sources can be presented. Yamaguchi先生 07:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge per WP:LOCAL.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 02:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge/Redirect to School District 39 Vancouver. The non-notable description in the nomination seems rather disingenuous, especially given that the nominator has repeatedly expressed the entirely unsupported and baseless opinion that ALL schools are non-notable, regardless of the number or quality of sources. 203.122.238.225's description of what were perceived as bullying tactics to obtain the page creator's acquiescence to delete the article are problematic in and of themselves, and using such agreement as a justification to delete the article seems to imply that the creator has ownership rights in violation of WP:OWN; The article's notability stands -- or does not stand -- independently of the opinions of its creator. That said, the article not only makes no claim of notability, it makes hardly any statement about the school, other than the fact that it is a school, and nothing more has been added in the near full year since its creation. A review of the school's website shows no distinguishing characteristics, nor did a search of Google and Google News/Archive uncover any additional information that could be used to expand the article. Neither the nominator nor any of those who have followed his lead have provided a valid explanation for why the article should be deleted and not merged. When additional information becomes available, I look forward to the point where sufficient material exists to demonstrate notability and revisit the article. Alansohn 02:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I did raise WP:V, as there are no sources, so there is nothing verifiable to retain. --Butseriouslyfolks 03:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • And your opposition to a redirect is based on what? Alansohn 03:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I have no opposition to a redirect, just to a merge. --Butseriouslyfolks 05:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, nothing in the article makes the school remotely notable.--Wizardman 04:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong delete, agree with Wizardman. Cedars 14:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge per WP:LOCAL. --Myles Long 14:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to the district. This has been the trend for minor, stubby elementary and middle school articles that have no individual notability per WP:SCHOOL, ie: no notable alumni, no significant national mention or historical importance, no unusual architecture or location, no amazing athletic accomplishments or athletes, etc. Nevertheless let the kids have their redirect to their district, where they can construct a section for the school with notable information if desired. If they discover enough notability for the school later on, then they can try and make another article. --T-dot ( Talk/contribs ) 21:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.