Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baylor Religious Hour Choir

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. —Wknight94 (talk) 22:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Baylor Religious Hour Choir

Baylor Religious Hour Choir (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Subject does not meet notability requirements of WP:ORG -Nv8200p talk 02:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Little, if any, notability asserted. There have been college choirs and a cappella troupes that have won awards and got hundreds of Google hits whose pages were still deleted; this group gets only 92 unique G-hits, and aside from WP/mirrors and Baylor web sites, none of them are even non-trivial, much less from reliable sources. -- Kicking222 02:22, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - fails WP:MUSIC. MER-C 03:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - although I think it's guided by WP:ORG rather than music Citicat 04:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Fails BOTH WP:MUSIC and WP:ORG! Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 05:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - I went to Baylor's website and did a search on their, RHC, and the website reported Google had cached five stories. Here is the link to one where they went to Australia for nine days: Baylor Religious Hour Choir Experiences Life Down Under. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ronbo76 (talk • contribs) 05:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC).
  • How does one article from the choir's school count for anything? -- Kicking222 20:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete offers no notability, regardless of which guideline is used. Nuttah68 12:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - There were five articles (Cf Above). All were official press releases from Baylor University. This one was the most recent and it concerned a nine day trip the choir spent in Australia. A choir that performs internationally seems notable. Wikipedia:Notability (music) states: "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, hip hop crew, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria: The above is the central criterion for inclusion. Below are some criteria that make it very likely that sufficient reliable information is available about a given group or individual musician." Further, (sub-paragraph 3) "Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country, (superscript 3) reported in reliable sources. (superscript 4)."
    • Comment, see Wikipedia:Verifiability, in particular the requirement for 3rd party sources. Press releases are not enough, you need reports from sources independent of the choir or university. Nuttah68 17:56, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Pardon me for my lack of editting skills, I am a new member with seven months participation, one month as a registered member and an editor who participates both in the noms and debates of AfD. Recommend that the article be tagged in a manner that its historical contributions to music, like this international concert tour, be emphasized. Ronbo76 15:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Sources are third party to the choir, and in any case "can be used as source material for an article" (see Wikipedia:Notability (organizations). Performing internationally makes them notable. Springnuts 10:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment, yes can be used "can be used as source material for an article". However, the same guideline states press releases cannot be used to establish notability. The article has no third party sources to verify the claim to notability of performing internationally. Nuttah68 16:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, as it does not meet WP:MUSIC. Although they have performed in other countries, this is not really the spirit of the "international tour" requirement. --Mus Musculus 19:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.