Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baseball slang

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS, though there does seem to be a general feeling that something should be done, such as a merge or a partial transwiki or something. -Splash^talk 22:10, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Baseball slang

Violates WP:WINAD#Wikipedia is not a slang or idiom guide" and WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a dictionary" Frühstücksdienst 03:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete: per nom. --Hetar 03:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep. It's a huge slice of culture and the article is well established. PJM 04:08, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and stop misusing WP:WINAD. Cyde Weys 04:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• comment: I like this article. It's cute and informative. To the point. I however wonder if it should not be a candidate for transwiki to wiktionnary? --CyclePat 04:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

should it be merged with List of baseball jargon --CyclePat 05:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment The nominator does not seem to be misusing WP:WINAD but applying it appropriately. The problem seems to be with WINAD itself, which needs further explanation. If wikipedia is not a slang or idiom guide, if wikipedia is not a dictionary, why are lists such as these appropriate on WP rather than being moved to Wiktionary? It seems to be because there will usually be enough people who will vote keep, regardless of the policy. I'll also add that I don't understand the difference between List of baseball jargon and Baseball slang; I take it there is one, but it could use further explication. Schizombie 05:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Comment. I believe the distinction here is that List of baseball jargon deals with more-or-less the argot or "technical terms" (if you will) within the sport itself; Baseball slang deals with those said terms that have crept into common usage as idiomatic expressions, no longer necessarily having anything to do with baseball. SigPig 13:34, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep --Terence Ong 05:20, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment As a non-fan of baseball and looking at the two articles, could baseball jargon and baseball slang not be combined? There seems to be little to differentiate the two at the moment. I think that this article discusses the effects of baseball jargon on American English - and through the mass media on other forms of English too - so perhaps if they can't be combined this could be cleaned up to make clear that is isn't discussing baseball as such.  (aeropagitica)  07:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or alternatively merge to List_of_baseball_jargon. -- Arnzy | Talk 08:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to List of baseball jargon. It shows an alternate usage for some baseball jargon outside the sport. Else, move Transwiki it to Wiktionary; I think the info is worth keeping, even if not here. SigPig 13:45, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I think people are voting for keep for this because they like the article but it violates at least two Wikipedia guidelines. Just because something is useful or essential should not be kept if it violates established policy! Frühstücksdienst 14:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete listcruft. Transwiki to wikisource and link to baseball if anyone is interested in keeping this content (and I think it is useful content; just not encyclopedic article material). If the keepers insist on retaining this as a list, merge it with List of baseball jargon jargon or vice versa; no reason to have two lists that could be combined into one.--Isotope23 15:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC
• Merge to List of baseball jargon OsFan 20:57, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, and this may be WP:IAR more than anything, but I find the content useful, informative, and distinct from baseball jargon. -- Samir ∙ ^T_C 05:09, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
• At minimum, merge to list of basebal jargon. Preferably, transwiki both to the wiktionary. --Karnesky 06:07, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, and what's with the flow of jargon-related AfD's lately? — Adrian Lamo ·· 06:46, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
  • A lot of these were all nominated by the same self-confressed sockpuppet. Possibly for a WP:POINT. These lists are useful (though possibly would be better on Wiktionary & I wish that the nom used Template:Move to Wiktionary or similar instead of the AfD-fest. There's no way these will all be deleted. --Karnesky 07:23, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per the others. Who uses Wiktionary? Not me. I wouldn't know this was there. Calsicol 13:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
  • We could have an interwiki link to the wiktionary article, so you WOULD know it was there. --Karnesky 17:16, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Tony the Marine 06:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge To the list of baseball jargon
• Transwiki to Wiktionary (specifically, to a Wiktionary Appendix) and delete from Wikipedia. Replace any links in Wikipedia with cross-wiki links. Rossami (talk) 06:33, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.