Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bartosz Wiśniewski

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete --Selket ^Talk 03:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bartosz Wiśniewski

Bartosz Wiśniewski (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Does not meet notability standards. Also, the page was established for another individual with a similar name (sports team member), but that original person is not listed on the roster of the team. — CZmarlin (talk) 19:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete: Non-notable per nom...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 19:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 18:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Nomination does not say how it fails to meet notability standards and includes a bogus and unrelated reason that has nothing to do with an AfD and appears to be wrong. I don't read much Polish (okay, almost none, and there isn't an on-line translator for Polish that I could find), but a search of the web site for the team reveals Wiśniewski appearing a number of times on the team site. But what the heck does that have to do with the current article? Are you nominating a single page in the article's history for deletion or are you nominating the article for deletion?--Blechnic (talk) 21:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I made a second article to take care of the issue about the two article, so which article are you nominating for deletion, if both, put 'em both up, if one or the other, post away. --Blechnic (talk) 22:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The original article was posted about Bartosz Wiśniewski, an athlete in Poland Revision as of 18:35, September 20, 2007. It was apparently hijacked Revision as of 21:29, December 12, 2007 by someone else with a similar name (Bart K Wisniewski), claiming to be an architect. A quick check of the Polish language link on that article reveals that a Bartosz Wiśniewski does not exist in the Polish Wikipedia. He is not listed in the roster for the current club Znicz Pruszków in English or Polish Wikipedia articles. Therefore, I was not sure what to do with this messed up article. At that time, the page did not seem to qualify under Wikipedia's notability guidelines.

However, I have now found that Bartosz Wiśniewski is listed in the team roster for the Polish Wikipedia article: Wisła Płock (piłka nożna). Moreover, A Google (which translates from the Polish language automatically by clicking the "translate" button) finds a page where Bartosz Wiśniewski appears on the roster season and club membership. Thanks for correcting the page to reflect the actual individual. — CZmarlin (talk) 22:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

That was weird and confusing to figure out. I tried the google Polish translator but it couldn't get me past the same words I couldn't translate myself, so I needed an actual translator, and I couldn't get any of the rosters to show up with a search. But I didn't check the team roster on the Polish wikiepdia--good move. --Blechnic (talk) 03:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Bartosz Wiśniewski (the architect) and move Bartosz Wiśniewski (footballer) to this title. I would expect a currently practising notable architect to have a pretty strong web presence but Google searches in English and in Polish find nothing. The footballer is notable as a player in a fully professional league. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment That would probably be straight forward for now, but there remains confusion about precisely what is nominated. --Blechnic (talk) 03:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for not being precise, but the article was established for a football player (Bartosz Wiśniewski). The information on this page was deleted and replaced with some text about someone else with a similar name (Bart K Wisniewski, purporting to be an architect). When I noticed this messed up article, I nominated it for deletion because the subject (architect) did not seem to meet WP's notability standards. Purther investigation revealed that the original article was in fact a real sports person. This was corrected by Blechnic, by establishing a new page: Bartosz Wiśniewski (footballer). Therefore, the current Bartosz Wiśniewski article (about "Bart K Wisniewski") should be deleted on the grounds of non-notability. Thanks! — CZmarlin (talk) 17:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Can you relist and put just this up for debate for deletion to try to reach a consensus, as you seem to still think it fails notability, leaving out any discussion of the football, now that there is a discrete article on the architect? --Blechnic (talk) 19:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

• The only mention I can find about "Bart K Wisniewski" and "Bart Wisniewski" on the Internet using Google is that he is listed as an employee of the "A Architects" firm (link here) that located in Woodstock, Illinois. The short bio does not have the AIA title listed by his name. In other words, the article about him seems to be a self-promotion piece that does not meet the WP guidelines. Because the article already has a "request for deletion" notice, I am not sure how to handle another request to remove it. Please do what is necessary to process this change! Thanks — CZmarlin (talk) 20:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

• Delete If I saw someone do something like that (completely replace an existing page with an article about someone else who is not notable) while I was patrolling for vandalism, I would have reverted and warned. If I saw the existing page be created while I was patrolling newpages, I would definitely at least PROD-ed it, and most likely CSD-ed it. J.delanoy^gabsanalyze 14:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

  I should probably clarify. The page about the footballer is fine, the page about the architect should go. J.delanoy^gabsanalyze 14:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

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