Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baron Greenway

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page, if it exists; or after the end of this archived section. The result of the debate was keep, and nomination withdrawn. Sjakkalle (Check!) 1 July 2005 10:39 (UTC)

[edit] Baron Greenway

With apologies to the anonymous author, I have doubts about the veracity of this article, as the statement that the barony was created in 1927 conflicts with the date given at http://hereditarytitles.com/Page67.htm.
It is also unclear to me what encyclopaedic value the names of 4 (3 presumably deceased) Englishmen who happened at different times to hold an hereditary title have, especially as the present policy of the British New Labour (Socialist) government is to abolish all such titles. Simon Cursitor 09:38, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Keep If they're dead, they're harmless, in os far as we know that someone else must have written the article for them. Physchim62 16:00, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep all peerage titles. If the article is incorrect, it should be fixed. See also Category:Baronies. -- Jonel | Speak 17:50, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep We still have articles on Kings of France I believe even though the French monarchy has been abolished. Maintaining a historical record is part of the business of an encyclopedia. PS New Labour isn't socialist, that's what's "new" about it, and it isn't abolishing the titles, just the hereditary seats in the House of Lords. CalJW 19:09, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, we have all Peerage titles. James F. (talk) 22:18, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Until recently, the holders of the title would have been eligible as members of the House of Lords so they would have been notable under this category. Apart from this, the first Baron presumably did something notable to earn the titles. Capitalistroadster 01:55, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. The Government's not abolishing the titles at all, they just can't sit or vote in the House of Lords anymore. The titles will still be passed down generations. Ooooh, how Tony Blair would dislike being called a socialist!-Splash 02:31, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Given the above, I am content to withdraw the nomination. On two points of philosophical contention, that a man's ancestor has done something notable does not, IMHO, render his descendants till the end of time notable. Indeed, I can see an argument that, unless they do something notable, they devalue their ancestor to the point where his/her notability may be smirched. The instance of the 7th earl of Lucan springs to mind. Secondly, anent Splash's point, I would recommend that he wait and see before being so certain that the titles will still be passed down. Once the House of Lords has been "reformed" (read abolished and replaced by a Senate), the hereditary titles will cease to have any function. Moreover it is a moot point as to whether English titles will be recognised in teh new United States of Europe (once Sr.Blair has had it explained to him that Prime Minister is elective not hereditary). --Simon Cursitor 06:25, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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