Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bariaur

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page except signature updates.

The result was delete. A redirect to satyr, planescape or anything else that seems appropriate I'll leave to those who have a view on which/what it should redirect to. Angus McLellan (Talk) 01:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bariaur

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Non notable Dungeons & Dragons monster. Minimal Moderate in-game coverage, no evidence of third party coverage. J Milburn (talk) 22:00, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Delete At least nom didn't claim that it was from a minor supplement (both supplements I've seen it in are Planescape's 3E/3.5 reincarnations). If there is an article on creatures similar (i.e. quadrupedal sheep/man hybrid or somesuch), add a mention there. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v :L10 Lucario Cleric of Mew)} 22:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

It's really incorrect to claim "minimal in-game coverage". They've appeared in a large number of sources: sourcebooks, novels, and I believe at least one videogame. If that's a major factor for the AFD, that's a big problem. It does need some 3rd party coverage, but I'm very tempted to say that it does exist if we look for it. I think the AFD is quite premature on this one.Shemeska (talk) 02:40, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep or at least Redirect into Planescape - was a major player character race throughout the Planescape setting, appeared in numerous products. Was also featured pre-Planescape in 2nd edition Monstrous Compenium 8: Outer Planes, and has appeared in 3E in (if memory serves) the Manual of the Planes. BOZ (talk) 01:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

• He also shows up in Planar Handbook as a race in 3.5. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v :L10 Lucario Cleric of Mew)} 02:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep or potentially Redirect per BOZ. They've appeared in a dozen or so 2e sourcebooks, and multiple novels during that period, and they've appeared in a pair of 3E sourcebooks.

• ...all of which mean bupkus if there are no 3rd-party sources. -Jéské ^{(v^_^v :L10 Lucario Cleric of Mew)} 03:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete — non-notable. All Primary Sources. Mention in a list. Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related-related deletion discussions. —Gavin Collins (talk) 09:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable/no real-world impact. Eusebeus (talk) 17:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Keep as notable to a real-world audience and consistent with a specizalized encyclopedia on Dungeons & Dragons. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete No secondary sources, no assertion of notability. Fails WP:RPG/N and WP:N. Percy Snoodle (talk) 10:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Pervasive within the AD&D setting it came from, featured in several of the Planescape novels, very definitely qualifies for a specizalized encyclopedia. Eithin (talk) 14:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. —Pixelface (talk) 23:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete This is just one of thousands of non-notable stock characters with no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability outside D&D canon. This article also fails WP:NOT#GUIDE and WP:WAF, so its in universe content is not worth keeping or merging.--Gavin Collins (talk) 09:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
• delete - (sources) should contain sufficient critical commentary to allow the article to grow past a summary of rules or in-universe information. I don't think that's possible for almost anything in the D&D world. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 17:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete — non-notable. just a variation of a Satyr as noted in the article itself. shadzar-talk 20:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.