Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barbara Pierce Bush

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy Keep. Per my comments below, clearly passes WP:Bio. -bobby 17:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barbara Pierce Bush

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Delete non notable individual who doesn't meet WP:BIO or notablity guidelines WP:NN. Article does not provide evidence of notability other than that she is a sitting president's daughter. That, however does not make her encyclopedic or even make her merit her own article Strothra 17:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep This appears to be part of a content dispute regarding the whether or not to include her public intoxication within the article. This is not the way to resolve the issue at hand. --Mhking 17:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Not part of a content dispute, rather I was reading the article and said, "Wait, this doesn't meet notability guidelines." Although I do also have a content dispute with the article, this was not an attempt to solve that. Please see WP:AGF. Thanks. I don't think that there's been considerable discussion over whether or not being the child of a president automatically creates encyclopedic notability. It's an important topic to be discussed. I'm not co-nominating the articles, only this one in order to see where this discussion goes first. Regarding the content issue, I have already sought an WP:3O. --Strothra 17:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

You sought WP:3O, then immediately submitted the article for deletion; while I'm trying to assume good faith, that double-sided action implies otherwise. If you mean well, then I'm sure you can understand my skepticism. --Mhking 17:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand it, I'm just saying that it's not to "resolve" a content dispute. The realization that it doesn't meet bio standards came after I sought 3O - ie realizing that people seem to automatically assume encyclopedic notability simply by being the child of a president. If it were a monarchial society where the children had governing roles then I would say ok they're notable. I think that it merits a discussion, as I've said. I didn't rescind my 3O figuring that I might as well get a comment regarding the content dispute. That should actually point to the fact that see the AfD and the 3O as two separate issues. --Strothra 17:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I'd say that she's been in the media enough to warrant inclusion based on "Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events" (WP:BIO); the article specifically states Barbara's extensive involvement in the 2004 U.S. Presidential election, which just barely scrapes by as a newsworthy event... EVula 17:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment If one of the Bush daughters is nominated then what about the other one? Their articles are very similar and it appears to me that their claim to notability is also extremely similar. I can't speak for others but I wouldn't see any problem with nominating them both at the same time and dealing with them in one AfD. I am not, of course, making any suggestion that they should be nominated or deleted. It just strikes me as odd that one of these article is nominated and not the other. --ElKevbo 17:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep - Per WP:Bio:

Criteria for Notability (must satisfy one):

The person has been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person.

Major local political figures who receive (or received) significant press coverage.5 Just being an elected local official does not guarantee notability.

Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events, such as by being assassinated.

Bush satisfies all three of these. Here are sources to multiple published works of which she is the subject: 1, 2, 3, and 4. More are all over the place. I would also classify a president's adult daughter as a major political figure for the same reason the first lady is a major political figure. She satisfies the third criterion for her participation in the 2000 and 2004 campaigns (pretty newsworthy events). I'm going to close the AfD now. -bobby 17:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

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