Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barbara Micarelli

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The result was Delete. Marskell 17:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barbara Micarelli

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Nonsensical Biography. Original put up for Speedy given it makes no reference to achievements and is clearly non-notable. Was asked to move to AFD by admin though --Jimmi Hugh 04:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. Subject is in the process of beautification would not seem a speedy. No opinion on Afd result.--Dakota 04:20, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. The only source that I can find about this is the Franciscan Missionary Sisters of the Infant Jesus web page.I'm not sure that it passes the following from WP:N: A topic is generally notable if it has been the subject of coverage that is independent of the subject, reliable, and attributable. The only source that I can find is not independent of the subject because the source says that the subject founded that source. From the Franciscan Missionary Sisters... web site: Christmas 1879, Barbara was invested with the seraphic habit of St. Francis of Assisi and given the name, Sr. Mary Joseph of the Infant Jesus, thus founding the Institute of the Franciscan Sisters of the Infant Jesus. WODUP 06:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. That process of beatification - not "beautification" :-) - has been going on since 1959 according to the source quoted above. Given the haste with which some canonisations have been put through in recent years I think we can assume that the Church doesn't regard it as a priority. BTLizard 10:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete we can have an article when she's officially a saint, but until then she's not quite notable yet. Too bad this might mean we'd get an article on her only in 2010 or later. —Resurgent insurgent 2007-04-19 15:45Z
• Weak delete. Not being canonized or even beatified yet doesn't rule out inclusion, I think, but she's a relatively unknown Servant of God. If it's kept (which seems unlikely at the moment) it will need some work to tidy it up and NPOV it — e.g. change "realized" to "became convinced", drop the bit about sisters behaving "uncharitably", and leave out how "wonderfully" she served the people of God. I haven't time at the moment, or I'd work on it. Musical Linguist 17:58, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep - Founding an order (instead of simply joining one) seems to be some achievement, so it may be possible that better sources can be found, maybe in print. A Google search also indicates that there is a school and some places named after her and she is the honoray citizen of some place in Italy.[1]. Alternatively mergo into Franciscan Missionary Sisters of the Infant Jesus. --Tikiwont 08:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Barbara Micarelli, also known as Mother Mary Joseph, is the foundress of the Franciscan Missionary Sisters and she is notable enough to have famed artist John Giannotti sculpt a statute of her. However, there is not enough WP:RS material to write an attributable article on the topic. Thus, the topic does not meet Wikipedia notability guidelines and cannot meet Wikipedia article policy standards. -- Jreferee 01:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.