Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barakovo

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE and make dab. Will do that. Am I good to you? -Splash - tk 17:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barakovo

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Delete as hoax. See article history:

  • Barbaric (talk · contribs). creates Barakovo article, claims it was the location of a anti-Albanian massacre during the Kosovo war ([1]). Can't provide sources when challenged to do so.
  • Mek Maramit (talk · contribs) includes a picture allegedly showing Barakovo, but the image is that of an entirely different location ([2])
  • Barbaric claims to be from "Barakovo" himself ([3]). But reinstates the false image several times ([4], [5], [6]).
  • There is no hit for "Barakovo" or anything similar sounding on the US GEONet Names Server ([7]), no non-WP ghits for "Barakovo massacre", and nothing relevant for "Barakovo Kosovo" on google (there is a Barakovo village in neighbouring Macedonia though). Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: I dunno about this massacre, but I don't want to delete an article about a place that exists. There also seems to be a Barakovo in Bulgaria. Google Maps isn't the best resource for Serbia, and though I have found the nearby city, neither of the names for this village are throwing up anything. I can't literally see anything on the map, either, but it is difficult to interpret. To be honest, I can't zoom in far enough to tell village from rock. Change of plan, I'll go and find a map of Serbia, I'll have one in the house. Ok, I'll post another comment in a few minutes. J Milburn 18:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete: To continue from my last comment, I can't find it. Surely, a village with a mosque like the one the article is describing would find its way onto a roadmap? (Speaking of the mosque, googling threw up this page, which is a dead link and not archived at the way back machine, but seems to allude to a mosque at a village named Barakovo, but I think it is the Macedonian one.) If anyone can find a source to prove that it exists, then keep. Otherwise, it has to go, on the grounds that it as good as doesn't exist. Have you considered trying to contact some people in an appropriate WikiProject? Presumably, you will be able to find Wikipedians from Serbia, who will have much more detailed maps of that area than me? J Milburn 19:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: we had a newcomer editor on that page today who pointed out the hoax and claimed he had done substantial research on the matter, including contacting local people. He was quite aggressive at first and sounded POV-ish, but he had come to similar results as you and I and his claims now sound quite plausible. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Commment: Ok, I'll see if I can find an appropriate WikiProject, and bring this debate to their attention. J Milburn 19:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
        • Comment': Done.
  • Delete this version but recreate as a disambig. A websearch for this name reveals that there is a Barakovo in Bulgaria, as well as one in Macedonia, as described above, but no evidence for a Barakovo in Serbia. While this particular article may be something of a hoax, the article should be turned into a disambig page to allow for the creation and disambiguation of articles for the real places called Barakovo. Arkyan • (talk) 19:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: A disambig would only be appropriate if there were existing articles on the other two. J Milburn 19:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment - they exist now. Either way if we knew of the existence of the other 2 cities, articles notwithstanding, I fail to see how it is inappropriate to have a disambig page to clear that up. Arkyan • (talk) 20:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
        • Comment: Disambiguation pages that do not point to at least two existing articles can be speedily deleted. See Template:Db-disambig. J Milburn 20:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Point taken. In any case I did take the liberty to create stub start articles for the other (real) Barakovo articles so we'd have something to disambig to. Arkyan • (talk) 20:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I have a wikipedian friend who is from Serbia; I will ask Duja to provide comment on this. Jerry 21:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Bummer; Duja is on a wikibreak. I will ask another Serbian wikipedian to stop by and comment (User:NeroN BG). Jerry 21:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep but re-write - I don't know about this Serbian place and its history since I can't find any information on it, but according to MSN Encarta Maps and Maplandia, there's a Barakov in Macedonia [8] [9]. Sources like the WorldCityDB, Maplandia our own Wikimapia indicate there's another Barakovo in Bulgaria.[10] [11] [12]. The article should be re-written to be about one of those Barakovos, not this perhaps fictional one. --Oakshade 22:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: Oakshade, in the course of this AfD, articles have been written for those two locations, and the current plan is to make a new disambig article at this namespace. J Milburn 23:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
      • That's what I mean - re-write to a disambig page. --Oakshade 23:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


  • Disambiguate. Speaking as him what blew the whistle, described as aggressive but not really so, just annoyed about the attitude of another user. I stumbled accross the article some time ago, I even put the Cyrillic name onto it (before opening this account). When I looked at the history, I became curious, and so I consulted a map of Yugoslavia, one of the last of the "old" maps published in the spring of 1991 shortly before the start of the hostilities. The map is large and includes every settlement imaginable including the Croatian town of Hum with its population of less than 30. This supposed village with over a thousand people should have registered with a thick print. The settlement may be new (since 1991) but then it would hardly have this 14th century mosque! Anyhow, on a more pleasant note: I know of the Barakovo's in Bulgaria and Macedonia, they "are" real but there wouldn't be a great deal to write about them as they are both small largely unknown villages, even to them not so far away. But they exist and have a right to a mention: so I'd hold onto the page for that reason. Balkantropolis 07:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Disambig It seems that there may be several Barakovos in Russia as well. [13] and GNIS has 6 of them. Carlossuarez46 17:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.