Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Banatians

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The result was delete. Neil ☎ 09:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Banatians

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A biased article and a neologism as well (when saying that it refers to Slavic population as well). I don't see a point of having an article about this. bogdan 21:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

• Merge to Banat. This does seem like a neologism, but I can certainly see people searching for it, and there is some content that could be added to the main article. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete: I don't know if it is really a NEO (would Michigander be a NEO too?). Anyways, it is a biased article, and the subject is already well covered in Banat Bulgarians. - Rjd0060 21:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

  A better example would be:

  "The Texans are the people of Texas. Although the term aplies to all of its inhabitants, it could primarily refer to its Spanish population."

  "Throughout the late Middle Ages to modern times the Spanish Texans kept their identity as Native Americans."

NO, it wudn't - there never were Texasians, there are BANATIANS, who have been heavily opresed under expansionism of neighboring nations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BanatFree (talk • contribs) 23:05, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

It is a complete lie. Eastern half of Banat had always been ethnically Romanian, and Western Serbian, and so after the dissolution of Austrian-Hungarian Empire it was divided between Serbia and Romania, with active participation of local Serbs and Romanians and their political leaders. The only 'idiot' here is you, if you don't know that one of the greatest "oppressors" of "Banatians" was Mihajlo Pupin a "Banatian" himself, one of the greatest world scientists of modern era. For Christ's sake, Banat as Serbian-populated part of civilized Austrian Empire has been the center of Serbian national idea, as Serbia was occupied by Ottoman Empire. Complete rubbish. Marechiel 09:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

• bogdan 21:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

• (Low informed) delete: if anything this text oversimplified history of the region. Pavel Vozenilek 04:25, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

  Well, it's also wrong. It claims the Slavs from Banat are Illyrians, not Serbs... bogdan 06:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

You idiot Illyrians is name for Slavs in these regions in new times. And we are NOT Serbs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BanatFree (talk • contribs) 17:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for fringe theories. Please see: Wikipedia:Fringe theories. The mainstream scientific view is that Illyrians have nothing to do with Slavs. bogdan 18:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

FOr god's sake no one is claiming were illyrians - theres no that theory. Im not saying that no one is. Just in historical hungarian sources, Slavs were called Illyrians, and just that - especially during the Illyrian age, when the language spoken was "Illyrian". It has nothing to do with ilyrians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BanatFree (talk • contribs) 23:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete and redirect per bogdan's Texans.--Victor falk 08:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
• not delete. Why destroy culture of a peple?
• Delete: It's neither a culture nor a people, but BanatFree's humorless joke, parody, fiction or whatever. As Rjd0060 cleverly noticed, the article makes sense as much as the article about Texans or New-Yorkers. The vocabulary he uses is highly characteristic for marginal and extremist NGO Doclean Academy of Sciences and Arts of Montenegro which, in order to prove non-Serbian origin of Montenegrins, denies Serbdom of Serbs almost everywhere: in Croatia, Bosnia and parts of Serbia, so I have reasons to believe that BanatFree is actually not a Serb from Banat at all, but a Montenegrin from Montenegro. The ideas presented in his agenda do not exist anywhere, but are only a copy from a satirical text published on several Serbian fora about several parts of Serbia presented as 'non-Serbian' using the erroneous argumentation of the mentioned "Academy". I must say that I'm surprised that someone actually tried to push those 'spoof-teories' written as a joke and parody as something serious. How can one state that this border territory between Serbia and Romania was populated with some fictional "Slavs" and "Vlachs", while it is known that the only Slavs of the region were Serbs, and the only Romance (Vlach) nation were Romanians. As if someone tried to present Berlin as a city populated with some fictional Germanic people that aren't Germans. The term 'Banatian' doesn't even exist separately from other 20-or-so regions of Serbia. The history of Banat is the history of local Romanians and Serbs within Austrian Empire an nothing more. I'm from Banat, and this faker isn't. Marechiel 09:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete: On the other hand, BanatFree displays tragic lack of knowledge about historical facts. Serbs of Banat were never called with Illyrian name prior to recognition of Serbian nation in Austrian Empire under that name in 18th century. In the original documents in Austrian Empire, published both in German/Latin and Slavonic, it can be seen that the Illyrian name was translated into Slavonic as Serbian. Serbian schools and institutions in all Austria were officially called Illyrian, for instance the Illyrian Court Office in Vienna, a Serbian body entitled to monitor possible violation of Serbian privileges and national rights in Austria. All that, and that Banat got its name only in 18th century, and that it was prior to that called Rascia (Serbia) - this fake "Banatian" BanatFree doesn't even know. Marechiel 09:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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