Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balthasar Gerards Kommando

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The result was delete. —Kurykh 19:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Balthasar Gerards Kommando

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Seems to pretty well fail WP:MUSIC. Most all (tenuous) claims to notability are based on things that the band's members did while they weren't in this one particular band. fuzzy510 00:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete not notable, fails WP:MUSIC Rackabello 00:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:MUSIC . Oysterguitarist 00:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable enough at all. Realkyhick 00:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
• Don't Delete! BGK was an important international band of the 1980s hardcore punk era. I used to play them nearly every week on my radio show in Greensboro NC, and they were from Holland. The problem with "notability" and "documentation" is that HARDLY ANYONE WAS DOCUMENTING the early punk/hardcore scene, and if they were, it was in cut-and-paste zines (and I don't mean the kind you do by "right-clicking"). You won't find those zines online anywhere, no matter where you look, but they were the lifeblood of a vibrant music and cultural scene. Years later, punks who are still active in bands talk about BGK for their tight, raging music and right-on politics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.162.203.195 (talk) 19:36, July 26, 2007
  • Comment - Please remember that verifiability is one of the corner-stones of Wikipedia. If they were truly that important, some reliable source could probably be found to show this. --Pekaje 22:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment in response - If that is the standard, then there's basically no point in allowing any articles about any outsider or fringe culture, which by definition is marginalized and poorly documented. That doesn't mean that the producers of such culture are not influential--it just means that not many people outside the culture grasps that influence. An article about a punk band shouldn't be held to the same sorts of standards as an article about HIV research or the Iraq War. But if you're looking for verifiability of their influence and importance, I think the fact that their entire catalog is being re-released by the seminal US political punk label Alternative Tentacles should be some evidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.162.203.195 (talk) 19:05, July 27, 2007
• Delete - Could not find evidence of notability. In fact, I have a hard time even spotting any claim to notability in the article. --Pekaje 22:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Well, ironically, Wikipedia's own article on hardcore punk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk (sorry I don't know how to link in this lingo), mentions BGK as one of several "notable bands from that era in Europe"...I don't know if you consider that too self-referential, but they passed the "notability" muster for that article at least... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.183.1.34 (talk) 01:38, July 29, 2007
    • Comment - Actually, it just means that nobody has questioned that phrase in that article. But Wikipedia itself is (like all other open wikis) generally not considered to be a reliable source. See this. --Pekaje 14:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment - Well, if y'all have your minds set on it, I don't suppose there's anything I can say to change your mind. Like I said, punk rock came from an outsider culture that existed before the internet, spread by homemade fanzines of which there is almost no record online. But I will tell you that I posted a call for help to a punk discussion board and got a few links after about two hours, one of which is a critics' list of the 100 best punk songs of all time...BGK was number 19: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/05/27/042514.php

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