Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baby Be Mine

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep as there is not sufficient consensus to delete JodyB talk 19:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Baby Be Mine

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Another Michael Jackson song that was an album track only. EliminatorJR Talk 23:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete or slight merge to Thriller.--JForget 00:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - I am improving all of these disputed articles. Look at the "Just Good Friends article to see what I mean. I am adding references and expanding to save these. Please don't cut me short by a swift and brutal AFD which doesn't give me time to fix this. Give me a chance. I'm asking only for a little bit of time to do this.Paaerduag 04:00, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Nothing particularly notable about this song. GassyGuy 16:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I had to think about this one, but it is a clear keep in my book. While there is no official policy on SONG notability, it does fit criteria 2 of the proposed criteria---released by a notable individual. This policy is consistent with other notability requirements on WP. A group is notable if it has or had a member who was independently famous. A composer is notable if they wrote the music for a notable group. Regardless of what we may think of him, Michael Jackson is one of the most influencial musicians of the 20th century. His songs are thus notable.Balloonman 18:04, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Er, no. It might be worth reading WP:MUSIC again. A group is notable if it has or had a notable member. An album is generally notable if released by a notable artist. Individual songs, however, are generally not notable unless they were charting singles or have some other claim of notability (this is quite rare, though). EliminatorJR Talk 18:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
      • It's also worth considering that every track on Dark Side of the Moon and Abbey Road has an article. Superior1 20:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
      • Er, yes. Look at the proposed criteria for songs number 2... which explicitly reads, "...is a released single by a notable artist, band or group." Few artist are as notable as Michael Jackson. While I would argue that criteria might not be strict enough, I do believe that M.J.'s songs are notable enough based on his name alone. But I would argue that any song on a Gold or Platinum album would be notable. This is one of the Jackson's most famous albums.Balloonman 21:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)NOTE: It was pointed out that this wasn't a single... but I still believe that any song on a multiplatinum album is by definition notable. It's relationship to the album makes it notable, even if its relationship to the singer doesn't.Balloonman 21:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
        • Notability is not inherited. Being associated with a notable topic does not make another one notable. Rather than bandy about assertions of "I think it's notable," the best idea would be to prove it by finding multiple instances of non-trivial coverage in reliable sources, sources where the particular song is the primary topic. Otherwise the song is not notable by Wikipedia standards. GassyGuy 22:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
          • According to WP:MUSIC, notability is inherent and has IMHO fairly low threshold:
  • Composers: Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a musician or ensemble that is notable
  • Composers: Has had a work used as the basis for a later composition by a songwriter, composer or lyricist who is notable.
  • Composers: Has been listed as a major influence or teacher of a notable artist.
  • Group/band: Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable
These criteria are, IMHO, much less notable than being part of a platinum album---and each of them the notability is derived via relationship to something else that is notable! Plus, most songs on platinum albums are better documented/discussed than the composer who happened to write a song for a non-notable group.Balloonman 22:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.