Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BT Home Hub

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 02:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BT Home Hub

BT Home Hub (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

It's a completely non-special wireless router undeserving of its own encyclopedia entry. Propose to redirect to wireless router/residential gateway KelleyCook 12:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. There are millions of these routers in use. BT used to be called British Telecom and its the largest telco in the UK. They send out this router to all new customers and its featured on loads of TV commercials. The customers will wish they didn't get it of course because its an awful one. Mine is in the cupboard and that is where its staying! Operating 13:05, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. Its a pity the router itself can't be deleted ;) Operating 13:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete and don't redirect. Completely undistinguished bit of electronics. BT is no gateway to notability. -- BPMullins | Talk 13:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Not really, BT has spent millions developing this 'undistinguished bit of electronics'. It lets you make VOIP telephone calls, watch TV on demand, gives wireless internet access and interchanges with your mobile phone. Operating 15:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep It is notable because of its dominance in the UK market where it is positioned as a hub for a variety of services - it's not just another router. References in mainstream media are thus easy to find (found a mention in the Telegraph in seconds.) Colonel Warden 14:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment -- From that very first google reference[1]. "BT Home Hub is actually a re-branded version of the Thomson Speedtouch 7G broadband router." It is nothing special. -- KelleyCook 14:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment You appear to be in the USA and so not a relevant reader of this article. You seem to find parochial matters such as your home state and its highways to be notable when others might consider them to be 'nothing special'. Colonel Warden 14:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment. Googling BT Home Hub returns 2 million hits. Which is what you'd expect for a router in millions of homes. Its not just notable because of that, it is also lets you make VOIP telephone calls, with a second number and bill. It also infuriates lots of people and the article is needed for people to grasp its difficulty/stupidity. Operating 15:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Here's more coverage in a major newspaper. Colonel Warden 15:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment We already have your opinion, though I feel you've added nothing to prove this hubs notability. Smarter Wikieditors also can see that one third of your short edit history [2] has been devoted to voting "KEEP" for various AFDs. -- KelleyCook 15:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment You say that like it's a bad thing. Got your number. Colonel Warden 15:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment. A smart wikieditor wouldn't have nominated this article for deletion. Operating 15:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment He's pointing out national newspaper coverage of the "revolutionary broadband package" built around this router. "Smarter wikieditors" will see this as a helpful contribution to the discussion — roughly how many edits are required before you consider a user's arguments worth paying attention to? Thomjakobsen 23:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Plenty of evidence for notability.--Bedivere 21:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep In addition to its market dominance, there's been a notable controversy with the Free Software Foundation over its alleged breach of the GPL. Coverage at The Register, a major IT news site: [3] [4], and more coverage on the discovery by two researchers of a major security flaw which is exposing users of "one of the UK's most popular home routers" (2 million homes according to the second link): [5] [6] Thomjakobsen 22:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment There are thousands of ISPs in this world. If they all have a router page, then WikiPedia will become overloaded with useless info. What is the point of a page for the specific router anyway? It's not like that WikiPedia is here to provide technical support for the routers. RASR 21:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Rebuttal Even if this were happening, which I doubt, Wikipedia is not paper. Colonel Warden 07:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. This router is notable in the UK. Axl 18:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Why destroy the information. Wikipedia is not running out of space. If you do not wish to read the article then don't, but there is no reason to prevent those who do wish to read it from doing so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.134.215 (talk) 14:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Please keep this piece of junk listed - just to warn people not to get sucked in to buying it. It is the worst and most troublesome piece of kit out there. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.142.36 (talk) 22:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - notable router in UK market. According to November 2007 Which?, BT is now Britain's leading broadband provider. Gandalf61 17:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.