Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BLOCKSUM

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 19:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BLOCKSUM

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Unreferenced, Japanese indie game. Only claim to notability is an (unverified) student award. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 19:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

• Here is the page the award should be on [1]. Doesn't appear to be there. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 19:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC) As the article says "7th CESA student game award in 2005" (even though 2005 was the 9th), I've also checked the 7th [2] and the 2005-2006 awards [3]. None of these lists appear to mention this game, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 20:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

  Incorrect ~ JohnnyMrNinja 02:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy per JohnnyMrNinja's link.--SarekOfVulcan 19:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Oli Filth 20:46, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep This[4] is perhaps the award that the article says. The link that the nominator (JohnnyMrNinja) showed is to CESA game awards, not to the CESA 'Student' game awards. Aside from that, the subject of this afd would be apt for having an article on Wikipedia since this game is introduced in the Gamespot[5] and the Gamefaqs[6]. --Neko jarashi 00:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

  Well pointed-out, that was all I could find in English and I just assumed it was the same thing. The subject still fails notability, as in "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Even without considering the fact that Gamespot has BLOCKSUM for available for download (meaning it doesn't really count as independent), or the fact that GameFAQs is part of Gamespot, or that both entries are possibly edited by fans (GameFAQs for sure is), neither one has any significant coverage. Gamespot has "Join numbered tiles together to combine their values, and clear them by matching that number of similarly valued tiles together." Is that considered significant? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 02:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you for the link, Neko jarashi. The machine translated version isn't easy to make sense of but it might very well verify that article's claim. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that's enough to establish notability. The Gamespot link is a two-edged sword: it is a major website but we're not talking about a review or any form of editorial content here - the link goes to the games subpage which is listed under 'Downloads'. As I understand it, it's possible for registered Gamespot users to upload content now. Another fact to consider is the Gamespot ranking which, as I'm writing this, is at number 37,351 of 39,732 overall and number 6,524 of 8,377 in the PC downloads section. And even though it may be up to debate whether Gamespot is a reliable source in other contexts, I think in this case it clearly isn't. Gamefaqs is virtually the same story (well, both sites are owned by the same company) and there's even less information there. Google also finds various blog posts and alternative download sources (and judging from the video is looks very interesting) but I'm afraid this isn't enough for me. In terms of notability, we may have the award but unless I'm missing something (and that's always a possibility), nothing else. Therefore, I'd advocate deleting the article. S ^up? 00:42, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep(But,I don't have no right to vote yet...) I'm the author.I almost agree with Neko jarashi.--ARIYA,Ginzang 01:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete unless it leads to another All your base are belong to us. Trynton Shines 02:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
• Comment That game seems to commercially be remade into a cellular phone game[7]. So if Gamespot isn't a valid citation, there is still justification to keep this article. By the way, what's to do with "All your base" stuff? Need I say, "Y'all on da way ta destruction!" or anything? --Neko jarashi 03:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. The only independent source is a comment on a Japanese-language web site, for which no translation is provided. Since we depend on secondary sources to show notability, I believe this is not enough. (The machine-translated comment does not seem to establish the passing of any particular standard of quality). EdJohnston 19:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.