Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BK Crown Jewels

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect and merge. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BK Crown Jewels

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Non-notable. It's a sandwich. To be more precise, it's a line of sandwiches apparently offered in Burger Kings in New Zealand. The article is a list of the different sandwiches and their ingredients. About a month ago (when the page had been dormant for several months), I redirected the page to Burger King#Products, but the redirect was reverted eight days later by the page's creator, who has since added to the page. The page links to several other pages about Burger King sandwiches (most created by the same user who created this one), but those all at least seem to have some additional content besides just describing the sandwich itself, so I'm only nominating this one. There are no references indicating this is more notable than any other fast food sandwich. Propaniac 16:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

  • DELETE! Please! Mangoe 18:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Some reasons for keeping:

  1. You should have created a merge discussion or talked about the creation of the redirect on the discussion page before going ahead and removing the article. This is the proper way to go about removing articles you believe to be substandard or inappropriate for Wikipedia.
  2. There was criticism about the Burger King articles being US centric in their content, as I expanded the article I tried to include global and regional menu variations to reflect BK being a multinational corporation and expand beyond the US oriented content. In creating an article about a product sold in country besides the US helps to create more neutral articles about said multinational corporations. By nominating this particular product you are going against the reason for its creation in the first place.
  3. There is an ongoing Wikipedia project to create articles about fast food products, this is in line with that project.
  4. It takes time to compile information on subjects like this since it is a product sold outside the US. As I am located in the US, it is more difficult to obtain information regarding "foreign" advertising campaigns, history, nutrition information etc. Hence it still being labeled a {{stub}}.
  5. The article is still just a stub. As more information becomes available it will have all the data that is found in the other articles.
  6. The redirect you created caused several loops.
  7. These sandwiches may be take global

Jerem43 19:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Response
1. The article had been dormant for months and I believe I found it on the Orphaned Articles list, leading me to think that it was not of particular interest to anyone, and it seemed to me a clear redirect. If the redirect was inappropriate, I knew it could be easily reverted, as you did.
2. I didn't nominate the article because it's foreign, I nominated it because it doesn't assert notability and doesn't seem notable.
3. This project was not mentioned on the page or its Talk page, and I don't see why non-notable articles should be immune to deletion or redirect simply because they're part of a project to create articles regardless of their notability.
4 and 5. A stub that doesn't prove the notability of its topic is eligible for deletion.
6. As I said, I believe the article was orphaned when I found it, meaning there were no links to it at all; none of the articles currently linking to it seem to have been linking to it at the time, so I'm puzzled how my redirect created "loops." Even if it were a bad redirect, though, I don't see how that's relevant to this discussion. I redirected it, you reverted it. If editors voted to redirect it, I'm sure any problems with the redirect would be immediately corrected.
7. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Propaniac 13:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • If it's just a stub, then it should have been expanded, rather than hanging around for months. I don't understand why a particular local sandwich is notable. Delete or Merge into one of the other BK articles. --Haemo 21:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to List of Burger King products (which has been moved to a non-WP:NC-compliant name and seems to have some article ownership issues). --Dhartung | Talk 06:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect per Dhartung. I see no valid notability argument for a separate article.--Kubigula (talk) 22:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.