Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B2031 road

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The result of the debate was Delete. Redwolf24 (talk) 01:43, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] B2031 road

Delete, per the consensus on B-roads 213.78.163.193User:Pilatus 15:47, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

• Keep all B roads. There is no consensus on B roads, so I have struck out the lies. --SPUI (talk) 16:01, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. SPUI, please try to keep things civil. I don't think it's a good idea to start VfDs in the middle of a consensus discussion, but editing other user's comments is definitely inflammatory. Sdedeo 16:15, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. It's also not good form to start articles of a disputed nature in the middle of a consensus discussion. Pilatus 17:30, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • I've removed the strike out; SPUI, please keep WP:Civility in mind when it occurs to you to do things like that. Fernando Rizo T/C 17:32, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. We are in the middle of a debate over all B roads. Currently, there are 17 signed arguments for delete all, 2 for keep all, and (I think) 11 for keep only notable, listify rest. Sdedeo 16:13, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • There is no vote. --SPUI (talk) 16:26, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
    • I did not say there was a vote, I said there were "signed arguments". Please stop editing other users comments. Sdedeo 16:52, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• There's nothing here that isn't already on List of B roads in Great Britain. Redirect or delete. — RJH 16:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per the way the wind is blowing in the consensus debate sadly. Gateman1997 16:35, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep or else listify to a suitable article. I will see if it can be expanded. I disagree with Pilatus' and Sdedeo's opinion on consensus (sdedeo's figures, 17 delete against 13 non-delete, don't suggest anything near consensus) but it is wrong to strike them out. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 16:37, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Others have counted 20/2/3/3 (delete all, keep all, merge into list, keep only very notable, make rest into list). Please stop tweaking the facts into something that suits you. Pilatus 17:17, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. It's a minor part of the London to Brighton Vintage Car Rally. I added this reference. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 17:07, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
    • A minor part? This belongs into London to Brighton Vintage Car Rally, where people are looking for it. Pilatus 17:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, not specifically notable. Gazpacho 16:43, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete minor uninteresting road. One of thousands in UK, millions in the world. --TimPope 17:00, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - in my opinion there is a rough consensus, though certainly not unanimity, in the discussion on B-roads. Regardless of whether or not consensus exists, for someone heavily involved in that discussion to create new B-road stubs while that discussion is ongoing is at the very least unwise, and borders on disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 17:20, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. This road should be mentioned in the article for the London to Brighton Vintage Car Rally, if that rally is itself notable. There is no reason for it to have its own article. Fernando Rizo T/C 17:32, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Article does not establish sufficent notability. Gamaliel
• Delete as per TimPope DES ^(talk) 17:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - forget WP:POINT, this borders on trolling. the wub "?/!" 21:03, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. ~?Markaci? 2005-08-23 T 21:18:11 Z
• Delete: not notable. Jonathunder 22:31, 2005 August 23 (UTC)
• Delete nn tarmac. -Splash 22:42, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, verifiable. Non-notability is not a criterion for deletion. A merge is okay with me as well. JYolkowski // talk 01:43, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Pointless, unencyclopedic, and trivial roadcruft, not to mention disruption to make a point. --Calton | Talk 01:46, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable road. Sabine's Sunbird 01:47, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
• D, nn. Radiant_>|< 08:17, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete all cruft Proto t c 11:05, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletions. -- Visviva 12:16, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep It is a highway article. We do keep California County Routes in the USA... --Rschen7754

  From the List of California County Routes it looks that a typical California county is served by maybe six County Routes and that many of these routes do serve more than one county. When comparing this with Great_Britain_road_numbering_scheme, the equivalent to a US county route seems a three-digit A-road. B-roads are short roads (typically 10 km or less) connecting one village to the next, never a main throughfare. Pilatus 19:53, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

  "Highway" in the UK refers to any road or even footpath (see Highway#Nomenclature). I doubt even the most ardent inclusionist would want to keep all UK highways. the wub "?/!" 07:50, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Firstly, it's absolutely correct to point out that "highway" is a generic term in the UK, and really this is just a country road that runs through a few minor English towns, mainly Caterham.

I don't count myself an "ardent inclusionist" but since the current article is completely encyclopedic I don't see why we should consider deleting it. It does no harm by existing and the information it provides is correct. I'm certainly in favor of deleting nonsense, vanity and whatnot from Wikipedia, but this road and most roads in England have been around for centuries.

Look at any road atlas of the British Isles. A general road atlas that omitted a single B road would not be worth buying. If an atlas purporting to represent driving conditions in England misses out roads like the B2031 then it's not going to sell very well, because it's a small country and that's what you're going to be driving on once you get off the trunk roads.

Here we track geography down to footpaths and bridleways, and yes, those are also considered notable. All public footpaths and bridleways are recorded in the UK. Every single public thoroughfare is recorded, and therefore intrinsically notable. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 01:19, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

• • • Wikipedia is not a road atlas. All title deeds are officially recorded in the U.S. Does that mean that every private house and plot of land is notable and should have an article? I don't think so. And I certianly don't think we ought to include articles on every bridle path in the UK, and by extension, everywhere else in the world. DES ^(talk) 02:42, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
      • Title deeds are primary sources. If you used those to write an encyclopedia article about a private residence, it would fall under "original research" and be deleted. On the other hand, with highways, there are plenty of secondary sources that can be used to write an article on them. JYolkowski // talk 23:19, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
        • That's not what original research means. If I go to the county records and see that the state bought a road from the county on some date, that's not original research. Original research is drawing conclusions from that, such as the assumption that the state bought the road because of a bribe. --SPUI (talk) 04:46, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
    • I disagree with the assertion that the entry is "encyclopedic". An encyclopedia is not a grab-bag of data, it is data digested into information. Pilatus 08:17, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Regarding Tony Sidaway's thoughts, I too believe that long distance footpaths are notable, however, B roads are not. Some long distance footpaths are nationally maintained by National Trails, and are of interest to both tourists and ramblers, covering many areas of natural beauty. They aren't that numerous either. Most people in my local area would know of the Wolds Way, yet would probably not be able to point out the B1249 road. - Hahnchen 15:15, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - B roads are none notable. They are NOT the equivolent of state highways in the US, just as counties are not the equivolent of states. State highways would be A roads. B roads of historical importance should be kept, but most of these are named. - Hahnchen 00:29, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn scho^H^H^H^Hroads.  Grue  20:00, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep notable road. Passes the thousands of people test. Klonimus 09:16, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - not notable - Tεxτurε 15:46, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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