Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Azusa Hibino

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was NO CONSENSUS. I believe this article highlights a bigger issues concerning inclusion policy that we do not have a set answer to yet. That is, is notability for the English Wikipedia limited to English language sources? I personally find the delete arguments slightly more persuasive. Just because something is on a Wikipedia does not make it notable (or else we wouldn't have a deletion process now would we?) And Hoary's comparative statistics on Japanese hits is a good argument as well. And I can't help but feel the websources sited do not meet WP:RS, but I cannot tell for sure because I only have a rudimentary grasp of Japanese. I'd suggest those interested in keeping the article should work to find better, reliable sources that clearly establish notability (expanding the article wouldn’t hurt either). I'm not sure if this article could survive another AfD if the article isn’t improved. That said, I cannot ignore the significant majority "keep" supporters, even if I ignore the anon. I am not going to try and change policy here if we have a significant number of users that feel foreign language sources and interwiki notability are enough for inclusion here.Andrew c [talk] 01:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Azusa Hibino

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Minor model, not many google hits, non of them being Reliable, fails WP:BIO, prod removed for no reason, Delete Jaranda wat's sup 18:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom -- FamedDeletionist 21:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
  • "Naturally, citing this essay just by one of its many acronyms (e.g. WP:ILIKEIT or WP:IDONTLIKEIT), without further explanation, is similarly ill advised"MightyAtom 01:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - 116,000 google hits for her name in Japanese. Articles on ja and zh wikipedias as well. Neier 11:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
  • "Naturally, citing this essay just by one of its many acronyms (e.g. WP:ILIKEIT or WP:IDONTLIKEIT), without further explanation, is similarly ill advised"MightyAtom 01:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Since it seems to be the norm for AFD nominators to write "not many google hits" when in fact what is meant is "not many google hits for the romanized version of ... in English pages", I prefer to add the relevant comparison information when necessary. Neier 23:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
  • It's possible that the gallery is making this look worse than it is. The photos are marked as DVD covers with a fair use rationale of "identification of the subject matter accompanied by critical commentary", but that's not what's happening here. They really should be pulled. I don't have a strong opinion on the article itself. Dekimasuよ! 12:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I removed the fair use gallery of the article. Jaranda wat's sup 19:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Well-known model.MightyAtom 04:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
WP:JNN (reversed). The Evil Spartan 15:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • "Naturally, citing this essay just by one of its many acronyms (e.g. WP:ILIKEIT or WP:IDONTLIKEIT), without further explanation, is similarly ill advised"MightyAtom 01:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Evil Spartan 15:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per lack of "significant coverage from independent media" Corpx 16:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, plenty of information in Japanese, though a decent translation to of her credits to English wouldn't hurt. Burzmali 16:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, per Burzmali.Callelinea 18:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • She's photographed in bikinis, etc., and her photos appear in Japanese mags; likewise for squillions of other girls. NN, delete. -- Hoary 14:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment she has an entry in the Japanese Wikipedia that is pretty well written, and not up for deletion. Shouldn't each Wikipedia have articles on subjects that the other languages have? 132.205.44.5 23:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep She is a major star and model in Japan, that warrents an article. Meateater 08:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: "Major star and model"? Matsugane Yōko is a major model in Japan; she gets 658,000 hits. Kadena Reon is sufficiently major for her (improbable) name to have impinged on my consciousness; she gets 648,000 ghits. This teenager gets 12,800 ghits, which by Japanese cheesecake standards is peanuts, if I may mix gustatory metaphors. -- Hoary 14:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. International encyclopedia etc. —Xezbeth 08:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. While she might be notable enough in Japan to merit an article in the Japanese Wikipedia, I doubt many people outside Japan have ever heard of her. By the way, Jaranda, please create the AfD page properly - it didn't have the standard links at the top, including the one that lets you reach it easily from the daily log. Tualha (Talk) 02:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • This is an international encyclopedia, if its notable enough for the Japanese wiki then its notable enough for here and every other language. —Xezbeth 12:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • It's certainly true if something is sufficiently notable to deserve an article in ja:WP it is also sufficiently notable to deserve an article in en:WP. But the mere fact that an article has an entry in ja:WP does not imply that it deserves to have one. ¶ So, putting ja:WP aside, is this teen notable? Above, it's claimed (without presentation of any evidence) that she's a "major model". I then pointed out that she gets about one fortieth of the number of ghits (in Japanese script) that the not-stunningly-notable Kadena Reon gets. Nobody has yet had anything to say about this. -- Hoary 12:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm inclined to disagree. For example: I would be very surprised if any other Wikipedia carried an article on my hometown, Caldwell, New Jersey. Some English speakers (principally those from northern NJ) are interested in Caldwell; people from other countries, even English-speaking ones, generally won't be, unless they have a relative there or something. (Actually, Caldwell might not be the best example of my point; Grover Cleveland was born there. Anyway...) Likewise, an article on a relatively obscure Japanese person, though worthwhile on the Japanese Wikipedia, is not likely to be useful on others. Does anyone know of an essay or guideline addressing this point of local notability? I couldn't find one. Tualha (Talk) 12:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I'd like to point out that inclusion criteria are significantly different among the different Wikipedias. The vast majority of stubs on en would be deleted on de.wikipedia.org.-Wafulz 16:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Minor figure with minor contributions and nothing critical performed by her or in response to her. If she needs mentioning, it can be in response to an event, magazine, corporation, or whatever she may have been associated with and not her own page. NobutoraTakeda 18:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC) This user has been banned and !vote has been stricken. [1]
  • Delete - yes, the English Wikipedia can be read worldwide, but that does not mean that all articles in English are germane to all articles in Japanese or any other language. Certain articles will only have some significance in given countries and not all others. This individual would seem to lack the notability to maintain an article; however, should this change I would support an article. --Storm Rider (talk) 00:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.