Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/August Franz Globensky

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Singularity 03:45, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] August Franz Globensky

August Franz Globensky (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Doesn't assert notability in any way. Only source appears to be a family history book. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 01:56, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep. A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material. What constitutes "published work" is deliberately broad. I own a copy of the book referenced and I purchased it in a bookstore. Lkleinow (talk) 02:19, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Actually WP:BIO states that "If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be needed to prove notability" which implies (in my mind) that if coverage is substantial only one source would be required. Guest9999 (talk) 02:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep An interesting historical biography of one of the first Poles in Canada. Reggie Perrin (talk) 02:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
It's interesting because it's about a notable early Canadian. Reggie Perrin (talk) 03:10, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. The article makes no assertion of notability. The family history book is obviously insufficient to establish notability without such an assertion. -Joshuapaquin (talk) 03:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. —Reggie Perrin (talk) 03:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. —Reggie Perrin (talk) 03:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. —Reggie Perrin (talk) 03:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - meets notability criteria so far as I can see. Nesodak (talk) 03:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. I'm afraid I must agree. I don't see anything here that meets WP:BIO, including the mention in a family history book. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:27, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per Shawn in Montreal. GreenJoe 03:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. No assertion of notability beyond being the first to use a particular surname. Pburka (talk) 04:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Weak keep given (very short) entry in PWN encyclopedia. Pburka (talk) 11:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
      • Note that printed PWN encyclopedia (1995) has more informations about him than electronic one. Visor (talk) 17:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete I don't think one book published on the history of a family amounts to the "extensive coverage in secondary sources" required for notability of any single person in that book. I get the impression that the claim to notability is that this person is the grandfather of an elected member of the Canadian parliament... far too weak IMO. That he & his wife had sixteen children is pretty impressive, but not really notable in the encyclopedic sense, plus I guess that it would be his wife that would deserve the historical record ;) . Pete.Hurd (talk) 04:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC). withdraw "delete", but think a one sentence encyclopedia entry is pretty slim evidence of notability... Pete.Hurd (talk) 06:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment/suggestion One of his sons, Lieutenant-Colonel Maximilian Globensky, was an important figure in Lower Canada though he doesn't have an article as of yet. Maybe Lkleinow can rename the article Globensky family and broaden the focus to include the development of the family and notable members? Since August Franz Globensky is the patriarch, all the information now in that article can be included in an expanded article on the family. Reggie Perrin (talk) 04:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
      • Alternate suggestion Would WP:NOTINHERITED not argue against such an approach? If the son truly is notable, I'd suggest the article be on him, with a merge of some of this content on geneology into a Lieutenant-Colonel Maximilian Globensky article. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 05:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
        • My point is that if the family is notable then there could be an article on the history of the family as we do have articles on notable clans. This does not preclude also having an article on Maximilian. Reggie Perrin (talk) 06:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete I could condense this article to "He was born, he lived and he died." No assertion of notability. Resolute 05:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. I was ready to vote delete when I found him in Encyklopedia PWN ([1]). Hence, notable, hence, keep. PS. He is not in PSB but PWN is enough.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 06:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Wondering, since the Internetowa encyklopedia PWN entry on him is just one sentence long, if you could do a rough translation of it? (alas Babelfish does not do Polish. Pete.Hurd (talk) 06:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
A machine translation: "Globensky, Globenski, Glanbenkind, August France, właśc. August Franciszek Głąbiński, B 1754, Berlin, ob. 19 IV 1830, Saint-Eustache near of Montreal, one of the first Poles settled in Canada, the doctor; ran the med. practice and the chemist, recognized too first pol. enterprise in Canada." --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 10:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
I've translated and included informations from PWN into the article. Visor (talk) 22:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • As the author of the article, I may be now inclined to agree with Shawn in Montreal, and create an article on the indisputably notable member of parliament, merging this article's information into it as background. Is a redirect from this article's old title to the new one appropriate?
I see that Reginald Perrin has created Charles_Auguste_Maximilien_Globensky a couple of months ago.
I did, but we don't have an article on his father (and August's son) Maximilian Globensky who was a leading military figure in Lower Canada. Reggie Perrin (talk) 15:59, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Delete - I don't know if the Encyklopedia PWN is an RS - but even if so, the tangential mention of him there appears to have concluded that he isn't notable. If a source shows that the subject is not notable, that should influence our decision here. -- BPMullins | Talk 17:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep as per WP:WIN. He's the first Polish drugstore owner in Canada. And yes, Internetowa encyklopedia PWN published by Polish Scientific Publishers PWN is a highly reliable source. --Poeticbent talk 18:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - Featured in PWN encyclopedia, hence notable. Notability had been included into article. Visor (talk) 22:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Notability has been established. CJCurrie (talk) 04:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • There was previously a mention of the subject of the article within the Polish Canadians article, misspelled and not linked, but Reginald Perrin has fixed it. So now two other articles link to the one discussed. Lkleinow (talk) 18:48, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep as per importance of drugstore in early settlements North America. While house calls and hospitals were not always available, a drugstore was an equivalent of today's outpatient medical center where you got both the prescription and the drug. greg park avenue (talk) 21:03, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep sufficient materia for ntoability, adequatelysourced. DGG (talk) 04:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep although not outstandingly notable there are sources covering this person, so there must be something to him.  silly|thing  ►Charge!  22:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


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