Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atlanta in fiction

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. All bar one of the arguments to keep seem to be centered around it being useful, which is not convincing. A list article entitled List of fiction set in Atlanta would necessitate pruning and researching this wholly unreferenced list of trivial mentions to the stage where it would be simpler and quicker to start a fresh, untarnished, referenced list. Which I recommend doing. Please let me know if you wish this list userfying in order to import the most pertinent appearances into a small section on the Atlanta, Georgia article. Neil ☎ 10:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Atlanta in fiction

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Wikipedia isn't a directory, and isn't a trivia collection. Some relevant (and important) information should be put in the Atlanta article, and leave it at that. RobJ1981 (talk) 18:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete and merge anything worth saving into Atlanta. JohnCD (talk) 20:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Lists of times a thing is mentioned in TV, movies, and comic books do not belong in an encyclopedia. Such mentions are not ipso facto notable even if the subject being mentioned is itself notable. / edg ☺ ☭ 11:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as it is a discriminate list that demonstrates Atlanta's notability by indicating its influence and use in various works of fiction. I feel strongly that these "in fiction" articles are encyclopedic and I have been working to improve a variety of them. Appearances of city's in fiction influence the tourism of the area and so there is a real research interest in knowing how popular particular city's are and how accurate the fictional depictions of these city's are. Plus, we clearly are shifting in a keep or no consensus mindset over these types of articles lately anyway: [1] and [2]. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 18:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Comment. This isn't a matter of all or nothing. Just because some are kept (or have no consensus) doesn't mean all are. That's not how things work on Wikipedia. We aren't going to assume or just guess (or crystal ball) that all "in fiction" articles will be kept, just because some were. RobJ1981 (talk) 19:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment WP:Trivia is a guideline about the organization of the content in articles; it contains no criteria for removal, and should not be misconstrued as such. --NickPenguin(contribs) 21:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Reply: The opening sentence of WP:TRIVIA says "Avoid creating lists of miscellaneous facts." This article is just that: a trivial list. Majoreditor (talk) 01:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Reply: "Avoid creating" is not the same as "Delete". Read further down the page: "This guideline does not suggest removing trivia sections, or moving them to the talk page." "This guideline does not suggest always avoiding lists in favor of prose." "This guideline does not suggest omitting unimportant material." "This guideline does not attempt to address the issue of what information is included or not — only how it is organized." DHowell (talk) 02:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as this is a very handy type of list to have around. Perhaps the name could be changed to something like List of fiction set in Chicago. --Jolomo (talk) 20:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and rename to List of fiction set in Atlanta. Someone could no doubt write an encylcopedic article about Atlanta as it is portrayed in various works of fiction (a good reliable source might be The Postsouthern Sense Of Place In Contemporary Fiction), but this is not that article, this is plainly a list. But Atlanta as a fictional setting has been commented on by enough reliable sources that the topic is clearly notable. The list as a whole is not "trivia", though certain references like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory are probably trivial enough to be eliminated from this list, as the film is clearly not set in, nor does it even feature, the city of Atlanta. But Gone With the Wind and ATL are clearly works that are "associated with" and have "significantly contributed" to the list topic, which meets the criteria to not be a loose association of topics. This list also doesn't fit any of the types of articles listed as indiscriminate information, which are the only types of "indiscriminate information" which have consensus for exclusion. DHowell (talk) 02:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Convert to category—This is a simple list of instances, which is suitable content for one or more categories, such as Category:Works of fiction set in Atlanta. Lists allow for expansion upon the line items, but that is not done in the case of the present article; by 'expansion' I mean in this case noting the significance of placement in Atlanta, which would be citable to a review or critique. If an author simply places a work in Atlanta without a reason, that would be an incidental usage; the present list does not distinguish between plot-relevant and incidental use of Atlanta as a setting. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletions. —User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.