Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Astrit Ajdarevic

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus to delete. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 01:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Astrit Ajdarevic (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Minor notability, non-professional player in youth team Boongoman 23:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete No reason to believe he is notable. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 00:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete I have a hard time accepting all the obscure professional players in Wikipedia, much less a non-professional youth. - Itsfullofstars 02:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia and there is no need to delete this article. The lad has represented his country at a European level, that's more notable than a lot of lower-league players. aLii 12:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ArtVandelay13 20:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as per above. Besides, there are so many articles of people and places that aren't even notable. So why bother deleting all of them. Deleting them wouldn't make an encyclopedia an encyclopedia. --Crna Gora 21:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
• A similar case: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Partington --Boongoman 21:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete without prejudice to recreation if he makes it at senior level in future. He hasn't made the reserves yet, never mind the first team. Oldelpaso 21:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - still some way short of the required standard of notability. Come back if he ever makes a first team appearance. Change to Keep with the information provided about the Superettan appearances. fchd 22:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Wow. Please note that Superettan is not a professional league. Punkmorten 08:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, recreate when/if he reaches senior level. – Elisson • T • C • 22:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I am not usually in favour of keeping youth team players, but he is way much more notable than all of Football League Two players that satisfy our notability policy on sportsmen. --Angelo 23:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete no first team appearance for any professional club = doesn't pass WP:BIO. Weak keep per discovery below that he has played in the Superettan. Change back to Delete as it would appear Superettan is kinda Sweden's version of the Football Conference, and therefore players who have only played in this league don't meet WP:BIO. Debate as to whether youth team players at Premiership clubs are more notable than first teamers in League Two should still take place elsewhere. ChrisTheDude 08:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Wow. Please note that Superettan is not a professional league. Punkmorten 08:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as not meeting WP:BIO. "there is no need to delete" and "why bother deleting" are terrible arguments. Punkmorten 09:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
• Comment/ Question Did he ever play for Falkenbergs FF? Or is that even relevant? (I have trouble knowing what level works as notable in other countries)? Robotforaday 12:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, according to the article he signed for Liverpool just a few weeks after turning 16, so I'd say it's unlikely, although I have no info to confirm or refute it..... 12:38, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Indeed it seems unlikely, but it is very relevent. If he has turned out for their first team then he is inherently notable by current Wikipedia guidelines. aLii 13:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes, 4 games in superettan [1].

Then keep as per the above reference. Robotforaday 13:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

• • The games in superettan was probably of the kind where Falkenberg was in for a clear win and Astrit came in the last 6 minutes. That is a way of giving them playtime and pushing up the price by saying he played in real games. Very common in Sweden. A friend was treated that way in Helsingborgs IF (home of Henrik Larsson). He got tired and moved to Norway. --Boongoman 14:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
    • WP:BIO only says a player has to have played in a professional league (can someone confirm that Superettan is a professional league? I seem to remember this being discussed in a previous AFD but for the life of me I can't remember which one....), it doesn't impose any extra conditions on how long the player has to have played in each game or what the score was when he came on...... ChrisTheDude 14:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Superettan is semi-professional with some players with wages in some clubs. Astrit was never on the team, just a loan from the U16 team. Is it desireable to let all kids who has played 6 minutes as a trial for a team in a higer leauge? Or all benched players who are never seen on field but is on the practices used as rabbits? --Boongoman 15:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - youth team player who has never played a fully professional match. WP:BIO makes it quite clear what the policy on this is. Qwghlm 16:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. I just thought this was interesting; "This transfer could amount to 750,000 pounds, making him the most expensive youngster in history from Sweden, depending on number of appearanes for the first team." [2] aLii 17:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Could being the operative part. At the moment he isn't. He will only become the most expensive if he does several other things which would make him very notable in the process. Oldelpaso 18:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Just signed for one of the biggest clubs in Europe, and has represented his country at a decent level. к1иg---f1$н---£я5ω1fт 13:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - woeful failure to meet WP:BIO as never having played at a fully professional level - this has been discussed many times. U-17 is not an adult level and not notable. Premier league clubs are full of youth players who are only notable if they play first team football. BlueValour 23:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - WP:BIO does state "This list is only a guideline, and should not be used an absolute test of notability; each article should stand or fall on its own merits." ,and taking this article on its own merits I think it's a keep. - fchd 08:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Falkenbergs FF is professional club. Matthew_hk tc 06:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
  • The league they play in is not fully professional, however. It's the same situation as the Football Conference in England - most of the clubs are full-time pro's but not all, therefore the consensus is that having played only at that level does not satisfy the requirements of WP:BIO...... ChrisTheDude 08:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
    • I think that the professional or not thing is barking up the wrong tree. Falkenbergs play in the second highest division in Sweden, and some have said that they are a fully professional club. It's not like we'd go around deleting famous Rugby Union players from before the professional era is it? Admittedly this kid isn't all that famous, but he's not exactly unknown. You can find him on youtube, uefa's site, and in various news media. "Astrit Ajdarevic" brings up over 12,000 hits on google. aLii 09:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Actually the number of hits is 421 with 232 pages excluded. Not that much actually. Most information is about the fact of transfer and his single game in the youth cup. We still have very little facts and many rumours. --Boongoman 20:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - There is sufficient source material to include an attributed, encyclopedic article about the topic. -- Jreferee 18:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep "a Swedish professional football player." Youth team would be dubious for notability, but the senior club entry gets him through.The JPS^{talk to me} 20:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.