Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Assyrianism

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete, unsurprisingly, it's almost certainly a machine translation which is considered worse than nothing. There are in fact references in the German article but they are, in my opinion, inadequately referenced, almost all missing titles, publications or both ("Gamil Rufael, Journalist; verschiedene Artikeln" - "Gamil Rufael, journalist - various articles" - awesome) and I would not choose to translate it myself. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 10:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Assyrism (renamed to Assyrianism)

This page was created by "Aramean" nationlist who came up with this theory out of nowhere. A google search only results about 20 findings, almost all being either to wikipedia or discussion forums. This term is no where spoken in educational or historical institutes. Chaldean 15:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - One more thing I would like to point out is that it looks like the term was created by the person that wrote this page in the first place!; After the politician and journalist Raif Toma Chaldean 15:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, but "retranslate". This article is a very badly translated version of the German article de:Assyrismus, which is quite comprehensible (if you know German), has been worked on by many editors, and contains some more material. Although Raif Toma is among these editors, the article was apparently not started by him, and it took about a year before his name appeared in the text of the article. The reference is just that Raif Toma is claimed to have some opinion about what Assyrism is (namely not only Mesopotamian patriotism, but aiming at the unity of all Mesopotamians). The google search was not very successful because the article should have been called Assyrianism. I've moved it. --Lambiam^Talk 16:48, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

the article was apparently not started by him, - How do you know the person that started this wasn't him in the first place? We dont know, and nobody in this world has heard of this silly word that has been created overnight. Chaldean 01:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, but it appears that way. Don't you think that if the anon who started the article was Toma, he wouldn't have waited for a year before putting his name in there? And while his name is redlinked, he never created a page on himself. So (next to the slogan: "Assume good faith") there is no reason to think he is a self-aggrandizer. Personally I think the sentence involving Toma should be removed as being unverifiable (unless a reliable source is found), but the presence of this one such sentence surely is not a ground for deletion. --Lambiam^Talk 03:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. While translation of the German article may be desirable, I only get 300 hits for a Google search of "Assyrianism" see [1]. Moreover, a quick look doesn't show much in the way of reliable sources. A separate search of verifiable sources didn't come with anything. Capitalistroadster 22:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

  Try "Assyrismus". --Lambiam^Talk 03:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and Capitalistroadster. The references that this author uses to himself makes me worry if this article contains original research. Perhaps someday this article can be re-created with reliable references & such, but for now I say we delete it. —Khoikhoi 02:44, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: Though poorly written, the article deals with a relevant subject. And indeed, the German version is quite informative. --Benne ['bɛnə] _(talk) 12:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete for reasons already mentioned. --Hectorian 19:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - This is original research and absolute BS at that.King Legit

• DELETE - Their is no such thing as "Assyrianism", this article is compeletly made up. --A2raya07 20:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

• 'Keep it is not nonsense, nor is it original research. Please read the German artcile mentioned above. If you can't read German, don't assume bad faith. 70.57.246.220 22:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as original research unless credible academic sources are cited. Equendil Talk 09:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.