Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Assassin (Fate/stay night)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. W.marsh 04:39, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assassin (Fate/stay night)

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I had tagged this article on November 4th for its notability and its excessive plot summary. The tags were removed and notability is still not established per the secondary source requirement of WP:FICT and the article is still a plot summary (WP:NOT#PLOT) without any real world context established. Pilotbob 00:54, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletions. —Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 01:17, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
• Just to let you know, four day old tags aren't a really good justification that there will never be any changes on the article. If the articles had been tagged for months, then certainly, a problem is present, but this isn't the case. The fact that no one is working on the article is not a reason for deletion. Anyhow, merge into List of Fate/stay night characters. The article can always be recreated if sources can be found to satisfy notability. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 01:23, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Tags or no Tags, this article has no primary sources, fails WP:NOT#PLOT and falls outside the scope of Wikipedia. Deletion is entirely justified. --Gavin Collins 08:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

• I suppose you meant secondary sources, otherwise your argument falls apart. Furthermore, I never contested the fact that the article is very in-universe and thus would have difficulty satisfying WP:FICT. I merely stated that the nominator is making a false assumption by stating that a lack of changes four days after he placed tags on the article for cleanup implies that there will never be changes to provide examples of the article's notability, which is naturally false. Anyhow, per WP:FICT, merging is preferable to deletion, which the nominator should have pursued before bringing the article to an AfD. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 00:18, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. —Quasirandom 03:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
• Merge per WP:FICT into List of Fate/stay night characters. —Quasirandom 03:41, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep or merge. He isn't a main character, but is still important to the plot of several things - so into the list he goes. --Gwern (contribs) 21:42 9 November 2007 (GMT)
• Keep ALL: Each character into OWN page. Or Merge ALL: All characters (Shiro Emiya, Saber, Archer and otters dozens) into the list. Wikipedia is not paper. So, keep! Zerokitsune 01:11, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - You are failing to distinguish between characters that likely are notable (Shiro, Saber, Archer) from characters that aren't notable (Saber, Lancer, True Assassin, Zoken Mato, etc.). The former are articles that likely can acquire sufficient sources to satisfy WP:FICT, while the rest should be part of the relevant character list. And remember that WP:NOT#PAPER is not a blanket reason to ignore notability guidelines. It simply refutes the implication that an article should not be created because there's no room on Wikipedia, which is naturally false. It is not a "keep" argument in a deletion discussion. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 01:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

• Abstain I would like to switch my vote to abstain at this time due to this investigation WP:ANI#User:Pilotbob. Pilotbob
• Keep: data about Assassin's Noble Phantasms and status will are deleted. Assassin are an important role in the Unlimited Blade Works scenario: final battle with Saber (Fate/stay night). If you delete this page, so, you must delete Lancer (Fate/stay night), True Assassin, Zōken Matō, Shinji Matō, Avenger (Fate/hollow ataraxia), Caren Ortensia, Bazett Fraga McRemitz. They are also minor characters. Lumina Montecarlo 12:07, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
• Comment - Assassin's importance in the series or any possible loss of information is immaterial compared to whether he can satisfy the notability requirements set for articles about fictional topics by Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). Unless you can come up with secondary sources that comment on the character's conception, development, merchandise, or reception, then he should be merged into the relevant character list, which in this case is List of Fate/stay night characters. Shirō Emiya, being the protagonist of Fate/stay night, has a fair chance of having such sources so the article can be maintained until such sources are found. Being that Assassin is a rather minor character, he should be merged, as such information is not likely to be found. Furthermore, remember that merging is not the equivalent to deleting. The original history of the page is still present for information perusal and retrieval. Nothing is lost - we're simply denying this character an article that he does not deserve due to his inability to pass the relevant notability guideline. Regards, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 01:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete or merge as subject has no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability. --Gavin Collins 08:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - References can be added later. The nomination implies that there is some kind of time limit for these things to be fixed. There is no time limit. Rray 17:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as per Rray. The large number of articles tagged by the nominator and the short amount of time before they were moved to AfD is overwhelming any reasonable attempt to improve them. Edward321 04:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as per Rray. Can be reasonably improved. Katsuhagi 00:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.