Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashley Ferl

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to American Idol (season 6). WjBscribe 02:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ashley Ferl

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A young girl who's only famous for being a crying fangirl? Her 15 seconds of fame are up. This article fails notabilty. dposse 20:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Merge the article has merit, but not enough to be an independent entry. Merge with American Idol season 6 "Miscellaneous" category.
  • Merge to some American Idol article if the editors there want it. This verifiable tidbit may warrant a brief mention there. But there's no way to have a proper biographical article on this flash-in-the-pan story. Delete if not merged. Friday (talk) 20:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge per Friday, and redirect to Sanjaya Malakar- it's mainly because of him that she was highlighted. Elle Bee 21:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge or delete. Clear 15-minutes-of-fame case, which is not sufficient for WP:N. Mwelch 21:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep: Google her name (127,000 results on Yahoo!). How many hits does one have to have for her to be notable? That doesn't even unclude the searches by people who didn't know her name, searching for "crying girl" and such. I think that if she's been on E!, Access Hollywood, The Today Show, MSNBC, Fox News, and Entertainment Tonight, that's pretty notable. I don't watch American Idol. In fact, I hate the show, but it was absolutely impossible to keep from hearing about her. I haven't even heard of all of the contestants on the show, but I've heard of her. Keep... or at LEAST merge. This should absolutely NOT be deleted. - hmwith 22:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Note: The above user is the primary author of the article. --ALL IN (u t c m l) 20:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep: Wikipedia offers limitless resources to information. The girl has made a splash on the web and the news media. Let her have her own biography; it doesn't hurt any —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.8.86.241 (talk) 22:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC).
  • Merge per Friday. Absolutely no reason for this article.--Alabamaboy 00:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge or delete. This girl is extremely unlikely to remain known, and is probably only known to fans of American Idol and some people who might remember her from being on one or two national show appearances since then. —Mike Trausch Fd0man•Talk to me 00:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - yes she's got multiple independent etc etc but so did Faye Turney and we deleted her. No-one will even remember her name this time next month. - iridescenti (talk to me!) 00:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
No, her article was redirected to the incident she became known for. - Mgm|(talk) 08:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Which is what should probably be done in this case. dposse 16:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge. Like User:Hmwith, I've heard of this person and I don't watch American Idol. And the article doesn't meet any of the criteria for deletion; all of it meets WP:V, blah, blah, blah. And to User:Iridescenti, Faye Turney has not been deleted, it's a redirect. This article should be one too. --ALL IN 01:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete This is just becoming American Idol fanboy-ish. It's probably a bad precedent to create articles for people whose only claim to fame is sitting in an audience. There are lots of audiences for a lot of shows, after all.--Ataricodfish 02:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete Ataricodfish has hit the nail on the head with this one- a picture and a sentence or two would be enough to tell her part of the Sanjaya story; she doesn't need her own page. Mrobviousjosh 04:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Totally verifiable. :D And it's too much info to merge into American Idol 6 or Sanjaya Malakar. TheCoffee 05:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge. She clearly became known for something trivial, but we can't sweep her appearances on all those other shows under a rug. It's not enough to warrant her own article, but a mention in American Idol 6 would work fine. - Mgm|(talk) 08:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge Move all relevant info, and the picture to Sanjaya Malakar, and redirect Ashley Ferl to Sanjaya Malakar. 64.236.245.243 17:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, meets all inclusion standards. Featured on multiple national shows, and wasn't she lampooned on Saturday Night Live? Certainly should be kept, strongly opposed to a merge. --badlydrawnjeff talk 20:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep: Nobody outside of America has ever heard of Sanjaya either, which highlights the cultural bias of this project. Why should Sanjaya as one unknown (and irrelevant) person be favoured over another simply because he is hated by Americans (who pretty much hate everyone anyway)? Why can't you guys get it together and have the CIA kidnap him and torture him in a secret prison without benefit of legal process like you did to one of our business men? Stop whining on Wikipedia and start actually doing something about human abuse. This poor girl has got a shot of becoming a meme and you want to spoil it by favouring some guy with funny hair just because you hate him more than her? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.25.255.246 (talk • contribs)
Comment - Sanjaya is notable at this point because he is a finalist on American Idol, one of the highest rated shows on TV. A girl crying because she met a "celebrity" is hardly notable. If that was the case, where are all the articles about the fangirls for the Beatles? Or Elvis? dposse 21:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Comment One of the highest rated shows on American TV. American Idol has very little relevance outside of America. We all get our own national spin-off shows. Just because something is big in America doesn't make it notable to the rest of the world. This is a mistake that Americans seem to commonly make. Nobody outside of America has heard of Sanjaya. I only stumbled across this because I was wilfing on Slashdot. My point is that Sanjaya is not notable and that American cultural influence is distorting the free nature of the Wiki. It's not like we need the disk space so why delete when you're already compromising the quality of information through American culture? She clearly is somewhat notable because I found her Wiki entry, and there are 21,600 Google links for "Ashley Ferl" (yes, with " marks). To exclude her and include Sanjaya is irrelevant to anybody outside of America - both are equally unknown. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 196.25.255.246 (talk) 20:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC).
Did they get featured on multiple national television programs? If so, let's write the articles. --badlydrawnjeff talk 22:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure i could find documentaries. And i'm not sure how you can call the few seconds where she cried and hugged Sanjaya a "featured moment". dposse 03:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
well, I'm talking about her interviews on places like MSNBC. If she was just "crying girl in audience," I wouldn't think we should keep her. But "She's crying girl who was an interesting enough story for the major media to devote time on," so it's different. --badlydrawnjeff talk 03:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
If any one of them has 127,000 search results on Yahoo!, then we probably should. Wikipedia should be a reliable source where people can find information on celebrities, whether or you not you personally believe that he/she should be famous. I don't think that she should be a celebrity, but the media played it up, and, now, she is, whether we like it or not. - hmwith 15:52, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge all the information on her page to Sanjaya Malakar or some other American Idol article, and post a redirect. Malamockq 04:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Comment - She didn't just cry for Sanjaya. Not at all. If you read the article, you can see that she cried for several of the contestants. - hmwith 15:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Comment That may be true, but she became "famous" because of her crying during Sanjaya's performance, which was highlighted by Simon during his review. Malamockq 19:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. She's quite famous, even if it was just for 15 minutes or seconds, with a fair amount of media attention during that time. Everyking 07:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect. We do not need and should not have a biographical article on every single person who ever was on the Today Show once. Why? Because as soon as the 15 seconds of fame wear off, what are we left with? A permanent stub about an otherwise entirely non-encyclopedic person who will probably e-mail OTRS in 5 years asking why a picture of her crying when she was 13 is now a permanent part of an Internet encyclopedia... and we'll have no real good answer for her. FCYTravis 07:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. She cried on television. There's nothing else to say. Nothing even needs merged. --- RockMFR 20:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Darrik2 00:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete absolutely useless, irrelevant. — mrmaroon25 (talk • contribs) 19:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Since she is notable now and is part of the tales of the American Idol, I believe the article should be kept for reference purposes. The article is well written and referenced too. Correctus 06:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Keep per Correctus. Irk(talk) 19:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge or delete. Not famous at all outside of the American Idol community; appearing on television (even being lampooned on Saturday Night Live) does not automatically make one notable. Kafziel Talk 19:06, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: I'm not an American Idol fan, but I couldn't stop from hearing of her. - hmwith 14:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: I'm not American nor an American Idol fan, however I too have heard of her. Aquatics 01:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to the appropriate American Idol page. Yamaguchi先生 01:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge - Danny 03:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete non notable crying kid... you see them all the time at walmart.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 04:51, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
    • It's not about what she did, it's about the attention she got for it. Millions of people are aware of her and were talking about her. Everyking 12:43, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete not notable 15 minutes of fame. TomTheHand 18:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, good lord, there's an article on this? Delete per FCYTravis. Euryalus 19:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
FCYTravis wants the article merged, not deleted. --ALL IN (u t c m l) 20:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Comment, I am aware of that. However, the point made by FYCTravis appears to be equally good as a reason for deletion, hence my vote.
For clarity, this point is "We do not need and should not have a biographical article on every single person who ever was on the Today Show once. Why? Because as soon as the 15 seconds of fame wear off, what are we left with? A permanent stub about an otherwise entirely non-encyclopedic person who will probably e-mail OTRS in 5 years asking why a picture of her crying when she was 13 is now a permanent part of an Internet encyclopedia... and we'll have no real good answer for her." Euryalus 20:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete In five years, no one remember or care about her. Maybe even 5 weeks.
  • Strong Delete because who gives a damn R Calvete 00:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The media has spun her into something that is, at this point, considered to be notable. Later down the road, she may become a thing of the past. I believe that then, and only then, is when this article should be reconsidered for deletion. Aquatics 01:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, because of widespread media attention and noticed on one of THE most highly rated TV shows. --164.107.223.217 03:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Sobcruft. Herostratus 04:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Delete the *****!!--293.xx.xxx.xx 08:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge or delete - she's definitely not notable enough to merit her own article. NuncAutNunquam Talk 21:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.