Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashlee Simpson's Third Album

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ashlee Simpson's Third Album

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Predicted album by Ashlee Simpson. Contested prod. Nominated by User:Woohookitty with the reason "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Way too speculative for an article. And it's all OR besides" I {{prod2}}'d the nomination, with the added justification that there were no provided sources.

The prod was removed by User:Everyking with the justification that the sources are all in the main Ashlee Simpson article. However, I still believe that the article is speculation. There are no concrete facts, and the only reporting that has been done is rumours and regurgitated snippets from Simpson's PR people (at least that's what I think they are, no sources have been presented).

Let it be known that I have no qualms to the retention or recreation of this article, if and only if information such as the album name, tracklist, and specific release date can be sourced from reliable publications/websites independant of Ms Simpson, or the people or organisations directly linked to the album. -- saberwyn 11:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, WP:CRYSTAL at the moment, without even a title available. Also, the idea of her collaborating with Robert Smith is terrifying. Lankiveil 11:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC).
  • The fact that Ashlee's made it to three albums is also terrifying... Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 12:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, definitely a WP:CRYSTALballification here. The article's creator needs to WP:CHILL. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 12:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. --Belovedfreak 12:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL, and I wouldn't want to see an article like this kept as a precedent to justify the creation of Ashlee Simpson's Fourth Album, Ashlee Simpson's Fifth Album, etc. --Kyoko 16:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Note that I have no objection to her making future albums, but in the absence of independent, verifiable information, an article like this is premature. --Kyoko 03:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Personally I would like her stricken from existence, but it's not up to me unfortunately...sigh. Thank god for the mute button. -Cquan (don't yell at me...) 17:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
• Snow Delete WP:CRYSTAL Whsitchy 17:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, notable, major upcoming album; WP:CRYSTAL is inapplicable as this is merely reporting things people have said in the past. Everyking 18:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Say wha? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 18:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. The album does not exist yet, so this coverage is speculative or just a conglomeration of news bits. This could be covered on the article for Ashlee Simpson under upcoming work or whatever, if anywhere, until the album is actually made. Aside from that, the article is made up of promotional material by people directly connected to the subject. It's not notable until it gets independent coverage. -Cquan (don't yell at me...) 20:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
    • To take one example, Ashlee has said her next album will be more soulful. She said that in the past; the article is not predicting that she will say it in the future. There is nothing speculative about it. The whole article runs along those lines: it all reports things said by people in the past. Where's the speculation? Everyking 03:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete: A title for the album is not yet available.--SuperHotWiki 03:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • That's fundamentally an arbitrary distinction. Is an upcoming album by someone whose last two albums debuted at number one and went platinum a notable topic? Multiple, independent, non-trivial sources say yes. Who cares if it has a title yet or not? Everyking 03:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
    • "Simpson sent out a message", "Simpson said", "Simpson revealed", and "Simpson was quoted to say" are not independent sources. They are Simpson talking about Simpson. Independent sources would be other people talking about the purported album. Uncle G 18:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete until there's something actually verifiable (as opposed to "Showbiz Gossip Magazine X says that the album will have Quality Y"). A title - even just a working one - would be handy, but it's probably not entirely essential here. That a popular musician with a track record of success is working on a new album is hardly a remarkable fact, and that's really all we have here. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Regarding Everyking's comments, there is no difference between "it will be soulful" and "Ashlee said it will be soulful" when it comes to verifiability. ShadowHalo 08:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.