Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ascent Media

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep pschemp | talk 01:31, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ascent Media

Delete: I believe that this page should be deleted as it appears to be a vanity corporate advertising article with little distinct information that has not been taken from the companies website. Tyhopho 19:33, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Obvious corporate ad. Slowmover 19:56, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Okay, I think it's premature to delete as it may be notable. However, I looked on the Academy Awards Sci-Tech website for a mention of Ascent Media, here [1], but couldn't find one. It may be that the awards were won by employees of the company, which might not make the company itself notable. Unverifiable at this point, IMO, but I'm changing my vote to a weak keep. Thanks for the info, Adrian. Slowmover 23:14, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I believe the awards were won primarily by the Todd-AO company which was one of the companies which combined to form Ascent Media in 1999. For instance, according to [[2]] "Todd-AO, and the Ascent Media Creative Sound Services family of companies, numerous nominations and most recently, Academy Awards for Best Sound on such films as Chicago, Black Hawk Down, Gladiator, and Saving Private Ryan."Jvandyke 00:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

* Delete. Non-notable company. Danaman5 22:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Keep and Rewrite. The new information has convinced me of the company's notability, but it needs to be added into the article. I will do so if it is not done soon. --Danaman5 22:57, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, notable achievements within a non-trivial field: "The company, formerly Liberty Livewire, has brought home the gold about 15 times, winning Academy Awards for best sound and technical achievement."[3]. — Adrian Lamo ·· 22:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep see below:

Hello. I created the Ascent Media entry. I apologize for the "corporate ad" feel and apparent 'lack of distinct information', it wasn't my intent for the entry.

My decision to give Ascent Media an entry was driven by my interest in the parent company, Discovery Holding Company, and by Ascent Media's large size of roughtly $600M in yearly revenue (largest in post production work as far as I can tell). Further, I noticed that there were other post-production firms listed on Wikipedia: list of post-production companies.

My approach in creating the page, was to initially use the SEC filings as a starting point [4]. However, I am not an expert in the media space, so I didn't understand what, for instance, "Creative Services" meant.

Given my lack of knowledge, I did some google searches on the company and I found some of the news articles listed in "History" - including the Business Week article which discussed the deal with Sony for media conversion.

My next step - and perhaps where you feel it is a corporate ad - is that I created subsections for "Creative Services", "Media Management Services" and "Network Services" and I referenced the Ascent Media corporate page - which gave a long list of words I'd never heard of.. So, I took the keywords from the corporate webpage, and I searched wikipedia for them - and I added links where appropriate.

So - net of this was that I began to understand (roughly) what Ascent Media does: And I began (sorta) to understand. I now know that "Creative Services" is video and audio manipulation - everything from 'scoring' (adding a soundtrack) to editting (linear *and* non-linear - apparently some old analog difference). Similar level of understanding for Media Management Servcies (basically transfers between different media types) and Network Services (apparently you need to be able to distribute shows using satellites, etc.)

But - I feel far from enough of an expert to try and summarize this on the page by deleting stuff..

Net: I gave a very valid attempt (and many hours - check the history) to trying to make an appropriate Ascent Media page. My hope was that it was a good starting point for someone knowledgeable to improve... And, yes, I recognize that the entry isn't perfect, but I expected (hoped?) for some help.

I would obviously be disappointed to have the work deleted simply because I wasn't knowledgable enough to get to the encyclopediac 'essence' of Ascent Media.. Any suggestions (or edits) are welcomed.

Jvandyke 23:05, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

keep needs to be cleaned up, as it currently reads like an advert. but, as per above the article seems notable. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 00:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Keep Business Week article and winning oscars is notable, but the article needs major clean up. kotepho 00:55, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.