Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Artin Penik

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-25 04:27Z

[edit] Artin Penik

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Person not notable enough. Nareklm 09:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Neutral. Google results abound, and Turkish Wikipedia article implies potential notability, but it is poorly sourced (e.g. geocities). English news searches are also pretty thin. If notability could be established, I could potentially vote keep. --Dhartung | Talk 10:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
There all Turkish sources, thats not good enough. Nareklm 10:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Sources are sources, though as English Wikipedia it is definitely preferable if there are English ones. --Dhartung | Talk 18:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment. For me the problem is reliable and non-trivial sources. There are plenty of sources that mention him, but either it's just a passing mention or the source itself does not seem reliable. However, I don't think non-English-language sources should be discarded. -- Black Falcon 18:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
As Penik committed suicide in 1982, web sources are a bit thin on the information, mostly making a reference to the event. However, that his death still gets mentioned in recent articles (see the citation I gave of Oran article dated 2006) shows the notability. The article is a stub and will need to be fleshed out by using print sources. However, the question at hand is notability. --Free smyrnan 12:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Per nom. --Mardavich 01:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep for now, screaming delete after two days is not very helpful, but the author should be notified that either there are sources forthcoming or the article will be history soon due to WP:V Alf photoman 13:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • From Lexis-Nexis, it seems like there was a UPI article that mentioned him around the time of the claimed incident. I can't access it, though. There's a transcript of a BBC broadcast referencing him as well. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 22:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Why is he not notable? The man burned himself in the middle of the biggest square in Istanbul, for God's sake. There is a documentary that shows him in hospital. Google sources abound. He is often referred to in local media. --Free smyrnan 06:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
What local media? Google sources are not the key. Artaxiad 11:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Turkish local media, meaning newspapers. Any google search will show you that. But seeing that there was a call for English citations, I took the trouble of doing a 3 minute web search and added 3 English citations. Since the event occurred in 1982, before the advent of the web, web references are a bit thin on information, mostly just making a reference to his suicide. This article needs to be fleshed out by using print sources. But there is no question in my mind that there is no "notability" issue. --Free smyrnan 12:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Please see the article in its current revision and re-consider accordingly. 5 sources have been added, only one in Turkish and that one by a Turkish-Armenian. One source I obtained through LexisNexis, an Associated Press article. Youtube video of Penik interview has also been linked in the External Links section (thx to Artaxiad for tagging it graphic, it really is). --Free smyrnan 13:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • OK, I'm satisfied now that it's been sourced. Keep and improve. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 15:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep Normally I would say merge with Esenboga attack, as that is his only notoriety, but there is no Esenboga attack article, and it doesn't feel right to bury him in the ASALA article. --Bejnar 03:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment It seems we have enough input to move for a decision. Do we need to wait further? And I would like to ask Artaxiad to also vote, seeing that he tried to withdraw the nomination, which implies a keep vote, but as that withdrawal did not go thru, his vote is absent currently from this discussion. --Free smyrnan 06:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. He is well-known in Turkey. Khoikhoi 09:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Notable enough. Grandmaster 11:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Doesn't seem notable at all. Four out of six sources in the article are also quite pov.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 21:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep: burning oneself alive in public is a rare and notable statement. Furthermore, considering the limitations of language and age, it's well-sourced. Biruitorul 02:09, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.