Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Artak Movsisyan
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was DELETE per logic of DGG. Rlevse 02:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Artak Movsisyan
Not notable. Insufficient sources (the only one provided is not in English), information cannot be verified. No verification available for bibliography. Contested speedy. Realkyhick 00:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Keep Artak Movsisyan is notable for his publications regarding Aratta and the ancient Armenian states. He has a dozen publications, if the user has a problem with references he should add a {{References}} template otherwise we can use other language sources. Not sufficient for deletion. --Vonones 00:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Weak keep. The lack of English language sources is a problem. Ghits appear to suggest the subject meets WP:N and WP:PROF but in its present form the article fails WP:V and WP:RS. Cleanup required != delete. Dbromage [Talk] 00:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 01:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - Not Wikipedia notable. Movsisyan might have fame because of his publications regarding Aratta, but that does not make him Wikipedia notable. Wikipedia notable addresses the amount of reliable source material about Artak Movsisyan that are independent of Artak Movsisyan. There is not enought reliable source material independent of Artak Movsisyan to write a Wikipedia article on the topic.-- Jreferee (Talk) 04:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
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- Can I ask what makes a historian or scholar notable? he has had a dozen publications, he is notable because of his work, I can expand the article if some time was given. --Vonones 21:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Weak keep Non-English sources are specifically permitted under Wikipedia:Verifiability#Sources in languages other than English, and the biographical information (that he's a professor studying Armenian history and works in the institute named) is confirmed by the external link, so I don't see the nominator's contention of "no verification available". Professors who get interviewed for general-interest publications likely meet WP:PROF (which is hard for non-specialists to judge). The source in question seems to be rather partisan, based on the kinds of statements they make on their front page [1], but for basic information about a professor who's accomplished in his field, it seems fine. However, the list of papers needs to be cited much more clearly (e.g. please give original titles, publication names, dates, journal names and issue numbers, etc.). cab 08:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:N and WP:PROF. Jauerback 13:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletions. —David Eppstein 15:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as above for failing WP:PROF. Non-English language sources are not the issue here; lack of notability is. Eusebeus 18:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - per WP:PROF, he matches alot of them. --Vonones 20:47, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Weak Delete per WP:PROF, he meets none of them. He has published a number of books, but there is not the least information about their importance. Publishing books is not enough for an author, professor or otherwise. they have to be noticed at least in the country of origin, and there is no evidence for that at all. They are in LC with the authors name being given as Movsisyan, A. E. (Artak Erjaniki). Not all of them seem to be books--I cant match them up because LC gives the Armenian titles and this article only the English translations, but some are clearly just pamphlets under 100 pages. Worldcat shows one in english : The sacred highlands : Armenia in the spiritual geography of the ancient Near East by A E Movsisyan : Yerevan : Yerevan University Publishers, 2004. ISBN: 5808405866 held in just two US libraries. There is no indication that is actually is a professor--the article says "senior scientific worker" Google cannot find the server for the interview. I'd be glad to change this to a keep if sufficient documentation can be provided. I recognize the difficulty of documenting it, but we need something more. DGG (talk) 05:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- I agree there is a local Armenian museum I can get his books and papers on him, I can add more information and more reliable sources, reviews on him and about him etc. So I can expand it. --Vonones 11:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. I read the Russian source, it's legit. He may be marginal, but he's verifiable, and that's what counts, ladies. So I say let's keep him. -- Y not? 07:12, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:PROF Harlowraman 01:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - I am impressed by the analysis of DGG. Further, the interview starts by describing him as "The senior scientific worker of the institute ...". The evidence points to him being a researcher and an authority who has published fairly widely, but that is part of his day job, but not of him being a full professor nor of his work being especially notable. TerriersFan 01:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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