Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arroyo Elementary School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep; please defer merge discussion to article talk. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:31, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arroyo Elementary School

Non-notable elementary school. Only claim to fame is being a blue ribbon school, which a majority of schools are. Does not appear to meet the proposed WP:SCHOOL guidelines. Contested prod. Leuko 16:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, verifiable. As for the Blue Ribbon School stuff, taking a look at Blue Ribbon School, around 3,000 recognitions have been given (some schools have been recognised multiple times). There are about 125,000 schools in the United States, so stating that "a majority" of schools receive this award is incorrect. As for it not meeting WP:SCHOOL, the solution for articles that don't meet WP:SCHOOL is to merge (which I'd be fine with), not delete. JYolkowski // talk 16:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Sorry about my misconception about the Blue Ribbon award, it's just that all the schools around me have won it, and I thought it was rather generalized. Still don't think that makes it notable enough. I'd be fine with merging. Leuko 16:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

• Merge and Delete per above. Hello32020 17:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

That can't be done. Merged information can't be deleted so you need to vote for only one. --67.71.78.252 23:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Isn't it possible to merge page histories and then delete the redirect? Pan Dan 01:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: I'd like to add Peters Canyon Elementary School to the nomination, since it seems to be in the same district and make the same assertion of notability. Suggest merging both into main school district article. Leuko 17:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
• Very strong merge of both into Tustin Unified School District. Blue Ribbon winner or not, they're still elementary schools, and being two of the 3,000 best elementary schools is still not sufficiently notable. And considering that being a Blue Ribbon School and California Distinguished School is the only info that matters in either article (Kids are let out early on Wednesdays? No way! They have a new parking lot and a lot of teachers? I don't believe it! </sarcasm>), a merge makes perfect sense. -- Kicking222 20:04, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Other than personal bias, there is no restriction on elementary school articles in Wikipedia. While the article can certainly use improvement, its designation by the Blue Ribbon Schools Program, grants an explicit claim of notability. Alansohn 17:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge both into Tustin Unified School District. TJ Spyke 22:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per TJ Spyke DesertSky85451 22:54, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Approximately 2% of all schools nationwide have been recognized by the Blue Ribbon Schools Program, the highest award granted by the United States Department of Education. Receipt of the award, accompanied by a corresponding state recognition, provides a strong, explicit and verifiable claim of notability. As specified by JYolkowski, the nomination made an entirely false claim regarding the notabilty of the award, and the nominators comments still make it clear that we have here is a failure to communicate. Alansohn 03:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn school; there are so many awards from so many sources, that virtually every school has one - especially in upper class areas. So what? Carlossuarez46 16:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Other than this individual's baseless claim that "every school" has an award (or that every upper class one does, pick one), the Blue Ribbon Schools Program has recognized no more than 2% of all schools in the US and confers an explicit claim of notability. As such, this vote is meaningless. Alansohn 17:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per Kicking222. — RJH (talk) 18:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per JYolkowski, seems sufficiently notable that a merge is not absolutely necessary. Yamaguchi先生 23:36, 9 October 2006
• Keep per the above. --Myles Long 14:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per proposed WP:SCHOOLS, verifiable claims to notability are made. RFerreira 00:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge both per Kicking222. Notability is not established here. Neither being a California Distinguished School nor being a Blue Ribbon School is a claim to notability; they're both claims to excellence. Are the top 2% of students in the United States notable, or just really smart and hard-working? Is every National Merit Scholarship recipient notable? No, and neither is every Blue Ribbon School. Pan Dan 01:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#keep --Vsion 02:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
• keep please notable to community and meets relevant policies and proposed guidelines too Yuckfoo 07:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep- pointless nom. ALL schools are notable as established by schoolwatch flood above. --ForbiddenWord 14:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Pointless comment. Your link contradicts your statement. Most recent AfD's for primary/elementary schools (since September) resulted in no consensus or merge. But even if precedent were unanimously on the keep side, the nom wouldn't be pointless, as the fact that no one can say why this school is (or most schools at Afd are) notable would suggest that precedent has to be revisited. Pan Dan 16:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Ah, but it HAS been adequately explained by the vote-flood of my friends at schoolwatch above. And in the event of no consensus on an AFD, the keep side wins, so I say yes, this is a pointless nomination. --ForbiddenWord 19:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and Delete. Do not keep per WP:LOCAL. Closing admin needs to consider if schoolwatch driven votes are vote stacking since the sole purpose for posting there is get keep votes. It is not an unbiased listing place. Vegaswikian 20:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.