Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Around the Horn

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep per WP:SNOW. This is a major TV show on a major TV network, and deleting it is simply out of the question. Non-admin closure. Shalom ^Hello 13:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Around the Horn

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This article fails to have any notability whatsoever. It's just a regular nondescript TV show that airs in the middle of the day, not some notable night-time show (like Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy). NBAonNBC 22:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Delete per nom FoxSportsRadio 22:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

There are sports fans that can actually play sports and this is a very good show that a lot of people like. There is even a Yahoo! group for this show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.184.156 (talk • contribs)

Definite Keep - Look, don't delete the ENTIRE article. Believe it or not, despite not being on primetime television, Around the Horn DOES have a strong fan base [1]. Yes, despite the fact that the show has tons of esoteric material (in terms of what actually happened in each episode), it has been on the air long enough to earn at least earn a stub on Wikipedia. If anything, leave the article as it is, because it provides enough information to those who don't know about ATH. FYI, I know it seems crazy, but the show has aired over 1,000 episodes. Not even the longest running TV show of all-time has aired close to 1,000 episodes. Hope this changes your mind. Morea37 01:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

KeepStrong Keep - This a very notable sports show on the most notable sports network. And I don't really know who considers 5:00 the middle of the day? Jeopardy comes on at 7:00, so you're calling 2 hours a big difference? I agree that it should be cleaned up (a lot of unreferenced stuff), but it should by no means be deleted. Heck, they just aired their 1,000th show on Tuesday, that sounds like notable to me. Bjewiki 01:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions for improvement - There's some unsourced information in this article, particularly in the "Points" and "Misc" sections. Some of this will likely not be able to be sourced, because they are just viewer recounting of events, so these will probably have to be deleted. Bjewiki 11:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Strong Keep - Nondescript? This is a sports talk game show. There are set rounds, a scoring system, winners, and established characters. I'd like to also note that in Chicago, Jeopardy airs a half-hour before ATH. I'd also say that having a consistant slot in the lineup of the very notable ESPN network for the last several years counts as being notable. This is a bad faith nomination. BTW, I hope you nominate JRIB and PTI as well, just to be consistant. Because saying those shows are notable, while this one isn't, is quite lame.Mshake3 01:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• Strong keep. Definitely a notable show. Nom. is a new user and does not address WP:N in any way. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

200% Keep - ATH is one of ESPN's signature shows, and deserves its own article. Moreover, what may not be notable for you, may be very notable for some other user. If there is no other reason to delete this article other than the "notability" factor, then this seems to be a waste of an AFD. Dknights411 02:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Strong Keep - As the previous person noted, this is a complete waste of an AfD. As Bjewiki pointed out, ATH just ran its 1000th episode, almost 5 years of broadcast time...if it wasn't "notable" or an important facet of ESPN's sports commentary programming, I seriously doubt that it would have that kind of longevity. The sports columnists that are featured on the show are regular contributors to the newspapers that they are employed by (or were, in the case of Kevin Blackistone and J. A. Adande), and Adande and Jay Mariotti have served as guest hosts on Pardon the Interruption. The show is no more or less "notable" than PTI, Cold Pizza, Jim Rome is Burning, or any other of the sports banter shows that ESPN regularly features, as Mshake3 noted. The article needs cleanup and sources, but deleting it is massive overkill. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 03:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• Keep -There are plenty of reliable sources to verify this and to write an article on. Please read the notability guideline on Wikipedia before nominating an article next time.++aviper2k7++ 03:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep very notable television show. No credible argument that it is not notable. --rogerd 05:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• VERY Strong Keep: It's as notable as any of those other radio talk shows. AtH discusses many popular sports and pop culture topics in much the same manner as any radio talk show. I would actually consider this much more notable than Wheel or Jeopardy because AtH discusses very popular sports and pop culture topics, as I stated earlier, and as Willbyr stated, is a popular-enough show to air 1,000 episodes for more than 5 years. And based on your reason for nominating this article, should all talk shows be deleted? This has more notability than a lot of those talk shows out there. It's one of the few shows that ESPN has aired daily in recent years. There's never once been a re-run; every single day, a new show is aired discussing brand new topics. Many people view the program daily just to see what's new in the Sports World, which is evidence of its 1,000 episodes. ––Ksy92003(talk) 06:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 12:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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