Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aristotelis Tsilingaridis

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Cbrown1023 talk 21:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aristotelis Tsilingaridis

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I'm afraid this is the very definition of non-notability. This is an article about an officer, who served in the Greek resistance movement ELAS during Axis Occupation of Greece, and then in the Greek army. But nothing notable is mentioned. Thousands of people served in the Greek army and thousands of people in ELAS; this does not make them notable. Additionally, I want to point out two more things:

  • This person has only two hits in Google, when I use Greek characters. One of these two hits is Wikipedia! When I use english characters, I have again two hits both coming from Wikipedia this time!
  • I have the suspicion that this article is written by a relative of the person described. My suspicion is based on the fact that the image is entitled "PAPPOUS", meaning in Greek grandfather. Probably, somebdy chose Wikipedia as the ideal place to honor a relative of him. Yannismarou 11:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong delete. I usually don't vote when I nominate an article, but this case is clearly an article that has no place in Wikipedia.--Yannismarou 11:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletions. -- Carom 17:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep There must be something more here. "He was awarded the Golden Medal of Honour no less than five times by the then King Paul of Greece." Once might be just seniority, but 5 times must indicated significant distinction, so there is probably more to his career than expressed in this rather unassuming article. If one's grandfather is notable, he's no less notable for being one's grandfather--some articles may show COI, some don't. And even an article from elsewhere might use a family photo. But we need some help from specialists; we obviously are not going to find ghits, though there was nothing wrong in trying. Absence of ghits does not mean absence of notabiity, especially prior to 1995 or so. I know that much, but I don't know how to find more.DGG 08:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, there may be something more, but the article does not indicate that. I don't think that hypotheses are good enough in order to keep an article. We don't even know his rank in the Greek army! And if it was something more, wouldn't I be able to find at least one more source verifying his so important role?!--Yannismarou 08:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep With more information it could be an interesting tid-bit - regardless of google hits (Which are not the be-all and end-all of anything) the Golden Medal's of Honour ARE notable. Too often are people forgotten who did great things. My advice is to source the Royal Honours List of the time and the reasons for the medals (I agree that thi is probably written by a relative, perhaps they can ask their family for extra information?).tactik 11:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
  • A note is left by the bot to the talk page of the creator of the article. I hope he/she will check the AfD and think about your interesting. proposal.--Yannismarou 11:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep Agree with DGG and tactik, with some work this article could be improved, depening on how involved this person was with the resistance movement. Thewinchester (talk) 05:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as per nom, unless sourced by tomorrow. It's entirely unsourced, and that includes the claim of him having received multiple military honours. Even if this person was some outstanding hero, if nobody outside of Wikipedia has ever sung his praise then there's nothing we can do about him. And as for Tactik's suggestion: No, "asking the family" for more information is exactly not what WP:ATT is about. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Update: I just want to inform everybody here that the article's creator instead of adding the requested info, and after he removed the AfD tag from the article, he removed material. I wonder why (since he left no edit summary)? Check the diff here.--Yannismarou 10:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete: "The Golden Medal of Honour" itself doesn't seem particularly noteworthy. One of the few references I could find to it on the web noted that it was awarded posthumously in 1998 to a fighter pilot who had died during a training exercise, which though tragic is not a very high barrier for the award it would seem. Charles (Kznf) 13:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete:Unless it's proven that this person played some important part in WWII or ELAS he is simply not notable.I mean, I also have a grandfather that served in pretty much the same forces and brought home several medals, but I wouldn't consider making a Wikipedia article about him.--Jsone 01:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.