Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arguido

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Non-admin closure per WP:SNOW. Hersfold (t/a/c) 16:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arguido

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Portugues translation of the word Suspect and we dont do Portuguese here, SqueakBox 02:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Definitely keep (and improve) Johnbibby 16:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - it doesn't appear to be a "translation of the word 'suspect'"; rather, it's a specific legal status in the Portuguese justice system. In fact, the Guardian has an entire article about this, with respect to the Madeleine McCann case, in order to clairify the use to a non-Portuguese audience. --Haemo 02:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep, this is a clearly notable subject by the references provided and its role in the Portugese legal system. No reason to delete. Hersfold (t/a/c) 02:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The article is not a translation but an explanation of a formal status that exists in the Portuguese legal system and crucially does not have a clear equivalent in most (or all?) legal systems in the English speaking world. Note the following media stories that are all explaining the status for a non Portuguese audience: [1] [2] [3] [4] It is quite common in English to use the native language word to describe something that either does not have a direct English language equivalent or to specifically describe a particular variant, e.g. kaiser. Timrollpickering 02:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Can you give me one other example of where this occurs on wikipedia? Otherwise it'll set a precedent and not a good one but give me some other examples and I'll reconsider, SqueakBox 02:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, valid term in the Portuguese legal system. Passes WP:RS and WP:V too. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 03:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, valid and unique term distinguished in several crucial ways from suspect. The closest descriptive equivalent might be person of interest, but that term describes people with no distinct rights (quite problematically; q.v. Richard Jewell). --Dhartung | Talk 03:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The sources seem to believe the article's subject to be worth discussion and more than a translation. Maxamegalon2000 05:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Obviously a distinct term, not a direct translation. -- The_socialist talk? 05:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The fact that it's come to everyone's attention through one notorious case doesn't alter the fact that it's obviously a notable concept, rather than simply a word, in its own right. Nick mallory 06:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep - a valid legal term, and it can be verified by reliable sources. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 07:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. I was following the Madeleine McCann case on television and on British news websites, and actually came to Wikipedia and typed in the word "arguido" to the search box to look it up. Also, if it were simply the Portuguese for "suspect", the British journalists in their English-language news reports would not keep using the word: they'd simply say "suspect". The point is that "arguido" has a special meaning; the person named as "arguido" has special rights (to have a lawyer present, and to remain silent) and can be asked more probing questions because of being named as an "arguido". That is why the English-language reports on the case keep using the Portuguese word — because it carries a meaning that is not fully conveyed by the English word "suspect". There's definitely scope for an encyclopaedic article (rather than simply a dictionary definition) here. ElinorD (talk) 12:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Notable legal term of art. — mholland (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Well sourced and clearly notable, seems clear it's a legal status and not just the translation of a noun. EvilRedEye 15:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.