Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Argo Tea

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the nomination was No consensus. While the original author (quite gamely) doesn't actually say "Keep", I would count his good-faith comments added to the others as being enough to nudge this article away from a consensus to delete. However, I have no prejudice against this article being re-AfDed in the near future if the concerns of the Delete voters are not met. Deathphoenix ʕ 19:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Argo Tea

Delete WP:CORP. Restaurant chain with five locations total. Strong suspicion of vanity.- CrazyRussian talk/email 17:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding vanity, I am in no way associated with this company. Tony The Tiger 19:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete. Too small for now to be a default keep and no assertion of intrinsic importance to some aspect of the culture of Chicagoland. No prejudice to eventual recreation if it grealt expands or there is something notable about it in the future, of course. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 17:52, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Weak keep. I trust Tony The Tiger's good faith here (although I am not quite as optomistic about the future of premium tea in the US). I am willing to give the article until the Fall to see what happens. If noting happens, I'd be all for deletion, but let's err on the side of cautious eventualism for now. youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 18:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete I have been following this article and was considering nominating it for AfD. As far as I can tell it fails WP:CORP. Yanksox 21:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
  • WRT, WP:CORP go to www.argotea.com and hit news. I think it passes this criterion Tony The Tiger 17:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Not really, it may be a non-trivial source, however, it's just a local tibit piece that doesn't have a higher merit for itself. For instance, a local fire that kills a person, will garner alot of local coverage. However, it most likely will not become a Wikipedia article. Yanksox 21:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Suppose I can get the company to produce data for me that Argo Tea is the leading seller of loose leaf brewed tea in Chicago, Illinois or the Midwest. Given that tea is the 2nd most highly consumed beverage in the world (following water) would that suffice? Tony The Tiger 16:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Wednesday, I was downtown. I spoke with the new store manager after seeing Youngamerican and Crzrussian add their support to Yanksox's objection. He said he would research things, but I am not sure how high a priority a wikipedia page is for them. Personally, it seems that they are Chicago's (and thus very likely Illinois' and the Midwest's) leading vendor of loose leaf brewed tea, which is the next wave in gourmet beverage if you ask me. Unfortunately, this is somewhat opinionated. Nonetheless, I think they are the leader in this type of gourmet tea. WP:BIO notes an alternate test of expandability (Will the article ever be more than a stub? Could the perfect article be written on this subject?). I think 18 months from now we will be looking back on the next sure thing saying wow we got this page started. I will begin to worry if they do not open store #5 in August and then the fall store in the burbs as anticipated. However, I think it is an interesting Chicagoland subject as noted by the numerous articles that talk about how they are impacting the beverage marketplace. Tony The Tiger 17:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. The provided news source is not independent of the company, so fails WP:RS. Stifle (talk) 14:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

WRT, future store openings, I don't know much about independent source info. WRT awards and sales, I have begun searching for independent source info. Online there seem to be several beverage industry info sources: Beverage World Magazine, American Beverage Association, The Beverage Network, and Beverage Digest Online. I can not even find stats for tea sales online other than a reference to Snapple as the #3 tea seller. I find references to Ready To Drink (RTD) tea, and organic teas as well as loose leaf teas. However, nothing shows how things stack up nationally. Regional stats are probably impossible to find by a non-subscriber of the Beverage Digest Fact Book. Tony The Tiger 19:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.