Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arabella Kennedy (2nd nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE, and recast as a redirect to Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis. Cannot redirect to Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis#Children because redirects currently ignore section titles (I'll write it that way, though, as the software may be able to do this someday). Redirecting to Jackie rather than Jack because Arabella Kennedy is mentioned in Jackie's article.

While perhaps not G4 Speedy as repost, it is basically the same article, generally, albeit with more material. So in closing I allowed myself to take into account the comments on the earlier article. But I would have closed the same regardless anyway. Herostratus 01:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arabella Kennedy

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This article was originally deleted via AfD, but since then a different (as opposed to identical) article has appeared, making it ineligible for CSD G4 (deletion of recreated content). A dispute has broken out over the merit of the article, so as a neutral party I am bringing it to AFD so it can be reviewed by a wider user base. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 15:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Change back to a redirect. The original article about this stillborn child was changed in October 2005 to a redirect to John F. Kennedy#Image, social life, and family because the subject was considered to be non-notable. Although the revised (2007) article is longer (though still a stub), there is (as I read it) still no assertion of notability. Plus the (small amount of) important information is also at Kennedy Curse#Chronology. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 15:33, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Regarding notability, at the time of Arabella Kennedy's death, John F. Kennedy was a U.S. Senator, not the President. There was probably a small article or two in the local (D.C. and Boston) papers, or possibly not at all (privacy). The death certainly was not national news, and there almost certainly was never any subsequent article that was primarily about Arabella. In short, this is an incident in the lives of JFK and Jackie, and it is already included in those articles. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:21, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Substantially different from the older version, and it does assert notability as the stillborn child of John F. Kennedy. 1ne 16:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect and merge. A stillborn child, even of a future President, strikes me as the epitome of a non-notable person; that is, if you imagine them to be a person at all. Don't see this rating a separate article. - Smerdis of Tlön 22:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, only worth a mention in the JFK article if sourced, which this is not. =killing sparrows 06:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)=
Now it is. 1ne 20:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.