Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anuschka Tischer

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The result of the debate was keep. — Trilobite 03:55, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anuschka Tischer

Delete, nonnotable history professor. Only link from article space to this article is from the page of her coauthor Derek Croxton. Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 06:52, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Coauthor of notable book.Capitalistroadster 07:29, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
• Weak Keep, needs a little cleanup. Borderline notability, but academic and encyclopedic enough - useful inclusion. - mholland 15:44, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Delete nn. Co-authoring an obscure edition as well as a dissertation turned monograph is insufficient grounds for inclusion. We don't have an article for Hermann Wiesflecker, for example (wrote the definitive biography of Maximilian I), who is much, much more notable than this person. If at some point she produces a work or monograph of stature, then we should reconsider, but for the moment this should be axed. Dottore So 16:26, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Please write an article on Hermann Wiesflecker.

I'd be happy to translate when our friends on German Wikipedia get around to writing one. Dottore So 23:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, non-notable. Tempshill 23:29, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Ladies and gentlemen: this PhD lady, together with Derek Croxton, is one of the two people that most know about the Congress of Westphalia, one of the most important congresses of History. For those familiar with International Relations literature, the Congress/Peace/Treaty of Westphalia is cited in practically every single text, it´s practically a cliché. If you want reviews from the book they co-author check here. And if there are two people that understand the Congress, they are Derek Croxton and Anuschk Tischer. Cheers. Doidimais Brasil 00:06, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, clearly notable in her field. Kappa 00:15, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. This scholar is arguably the world's leading (living) expert on the Peace of Westphalia, and is the driving force behind the work cited (not to take anything away from Hermann Wiesflecker whose expertise is more general). What's next, an AfD for Arnold Toynbee?--Nicodemus75 03:43, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

That's ridiculous to call her the world's authority on the Treaty of Westphalia. Cite your sources for such a claim. This cruft should be deleted. Dottore So 05:45, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Dottoreso, I am making research on the Treaty of Westphalia, alongside university pals, because we plan to simulate it in our university´s MUN. We´ve done bibliographical research and the book by Croxton & Tischer is the most cited or recommended on the subject: simply go to Google or Amazon.com and note that their A Historical Dictionary is simply the biggest dude on the block when it comes to the subject. Cheers Doidimais Brasil 18:01, September 10, 2005 (UTC).

Response: I've clearly lost this argument, so consider this a parthian shot. First, I reject the idea that the Treaty of Westphalia constitutes its own sub-specialty. Thirty Years War, yes. The Westphalian peace treaty (or treaties really), no. Second, the authority of this work is grossly overstated. I could accept your view if you were citing Richard Bonney, Geoffrey Parker, C. V. Wedgwood, even Ronald Asch, and that's assuming you wish to limit yourself to English-language material. But this is a reference work; the authorship is therefore not notable. Moreover, as to your further claim, Amazon returns no reviews and a mere six citations for this academic treatise, which has a sales rank of #1,567,518; by contrast, Geoffrey Parker's (ed) survey enjoys 121 citations and nine customer reviews, despite its (comparatively impressive) rank of #582,194. You will find similar results from JSTOR, if you have access. Michael Roberts, Cristopher Friedrichs as well as Parker, Bonney et al, all of whom are much more famous historians and well-known experts on the Thirty Years War, with much longer publication records, much more established reputations, much more notable university positions, deserve entries. This is a fine reference book, I am sure. But the authors, at the beginning of their careers, with an as yet insignificant publication record and no distinguishing meritorious achievements, are just not notable enough to warrant inclusion. The above comparison with Toynbee is thus a patent absurdity. More like Emma Dench Who? Exactly. Dottore So 20:47, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Re-response: I´ve bought both Croxton&Tischer´s and Wedgwood´s books from Amazon.com, and so far the latter has been more fruitufl, I´ll agree to you on that. However, I fail to see why the Congress(es) of Westphalia can´t constitute a sub-specialty. Sure the Treaties of Utrecht and Versailles are? Not to mention Bretton Woods and the UN Charter. I do have access to JSTOR, and you can see that there are both articles and reviews by Derek Croxton there =). As for the review on Amazon.com, I´m planning to write it. Maybe you plan to write Cristopher Friedrichs? You can also see that a research on the Congress(es) can´t be done without precious insights on French foreign policy (for instance). Also, both authors have made works on 17th-century history, they haven´t wrote a single book! Finally, there´s always gain to be made when one stops and thinks about overused clichés - figuring out the actual meaning of what we tirelessly repeat. From my experience as an IR undergraduate, the Peace of Westphalia is an overused cliché. Warm cheers from Brazil. Doidimais Brasil 05:32, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

• Keep notable in her field.  ALKIVAR™ 05:22, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per above reasons. --rob 02:22, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep since I take the word of users above for the notability of the book. But why haven't any of you scholars cited this scholarly book in the article on the Peace of Westphalia? ---CH (talk) 03:09, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

CH, I´m an eventualist. Tischer and Croxton haven´t been mentioned in Peace of Westphalia...yet =). Cheers. Doidimais Brasil 23:29, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

• Keep notable in her field. --Cethegus 16:43, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

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