Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anton Lui

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus; keep. Kilo-Lima|^(talk) 13:27, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anton Lui, Chris Walasi, Francis Manioru, Jack Iroga, Mariuti Uan, Wally Kirika

This is a block nomination for six sprinters from Oceanic countries. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Casnel Bushay for precedence.

These six athlete substubs were created in connection to the 2006 Commonwealth Games, where they participated without even reaching the semi finals. Except for this mere participation at the 2006 Commonwealth Games these athletes have achieved nothing of note, thus falling below the notability bar. No Olympic participation, nothing. Believe me, I have searched for ways to expand the articles (see for instance this diff for Fijian sprinter Jone Delai), but as these athletes haven't even won medals at the Oceania Championships, or the Oceania Youth Championships for that matter, it's just not enough to warrant inclusion here. Punkmorten 07:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete their PBs are 10% outside the WR. This is too much. They don't appear to have done much in the way of placings.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! 07:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Ed (Edgar181) 10:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. RGTraynor 16:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, participated in a major international competition. User:Zoe|^(talk) 21:47, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and Bln. Joe 03:50, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Punkmorten,

You stated that, Except for this mere participation at the 2006 Commonwealth Games these athletes have achieved nothing of note, thus falling below the notability bar. To what notability standard do you refer to. The only one I could find is at WP:BIO, where it states that:

"the following types of people may merit their own Wikipedia articles:

• Sportspeople who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in an individual professional sport, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports, including college sports in the United States. Articles about first team squad members who have not made a first team appearance may also be appropriate, but only if the individual is at a club of sufficient stature that most members of its squad already have articles."

Now the 2006 Commonwealth Games, whilst not the Olympics or the World Championships, still had 71 nations and territories competing. It is classed as a Category A event by the IAAF when calculating world rankings. (see [1] - page 6)

I created these articles on the athletics participants and others based on the fact that 1) they had competed at this level, 2) they had a profile on iaaf.org and 3) these athletes, in each of their own countries, are considered notable. -- Ianblair23 (talk) 04:49, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment - Hello Ian. I have mentioned this a few times before, in other contemporary athlete deletion debates, that some weak countries are allowed entries on a wildcard basis, meaning their athletes do not have to meet the A-qualifying standard to qualify, unlike an athlete from a developed sport power, who must meet the A-qualifying standard to apply. So I am not convinced that wildcard-qualifiers are sufficiently notable on sporting-merit alone, as they have not earnt their position in the international arena on merit. (I am pretty sure the A-qualifier is less than 10% outside the WR).ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! 04:55, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • What Blnguyen said. The WP:BIO guideline mentions "an individual professional sport". Whereas the top finishers at the Commonwealth Games are indeed fully professional, I don't think these athletes are. Mariuti Uan clocked a personal best time in 11.65 seconds. He would have entered a 98th place on the 2005 statistics in Norway, a rather small country which sent 1 athlete to the latest World Indoor Championships. Moreover, getting an IAAF profile is not a great achievement by itself, seeing that an athlete like Stian Andersen has a profile. What really puzzles me here though, it that you left my early attempt to contact you via your talk page unanswered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Punkmorten (talk • contribs)
    • Comment - Wow a guy with 11.46 for the 100m gets an IAAF profile. My old high school had people running 11.2s and none of them even got into the state level championships - and Australia isn't a sprint running power.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! 23:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per Zoe. MCB 05:41, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
• keep please these sprinters are important to the countries they represent `Yuckfoo 23:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per zoe. Blink484 22:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.