Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Protestantism
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was No consensus. Since the vote total is 4 to delete, 4 to keep, 1 to redirect (and don't worry El C, if you had voted keep or delete, it would still be too close to call) the result is to maintain the status quo. --Golbez 08:20, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Anti-Protestantism
Seems to be one person with an axe to grind. I don't think this article can be salvaged. --Xcali 21:50, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Redirect to Persecution of Christians. El_C 22:03, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Keep but fix. This is awfully POV, but as an anti-Protestant myself :-) I think there's something encyclopaedic in the concept of prejudice against or hatred of Prots. Er, Protestants. Hey, maybe I should write the article! Frjwoolley 22:04, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Keep but fix. I agree with the Prot-hater. Anon-
Keep but please someone rewrite. --Doc (?) 22:11, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)I was going to change to rename and rewrite - but then it occured to me that would be a totaly different artice - so just delete --Doc (?) 00:15, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)- Conditional delete. If a rewrite with scholarly references occurs, switch to keep. --Scimitar 22:18, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Keep . Alternatively keep a POV warning until cleaned up. -Fred
- Delete POV original research. Not even accurate: only slightly more than 50% of Americans are Protestants[1], which hardly constitutes a "supermajority". --Angr/tɔk tə mi 06:22, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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- Actually it is accurate. "Protestant heritage" (the term used in the article) is not the same as "Protestant by current religious affiliation", as you are trying to claim (many people who are not religious today are, e.g., the children or granchildren of Protestants, today they may identify themselves as non-religious but they are Protestant descent.) The fact is, it is indeed true that the large majority of people in the USA are of Protestant descent: perhaps 75%+ or so of US whites are Protestant or of Protestant descent, and almost all religiously affiliated US blacks are Protestants.
- By that logic you may as well say that the vast majority of U.S. white Protestants are of "Catholic heritage" since their ancestors were Catholic before the Reformation. Or of "pagan heritage" since their ancestors were European pagans before Christianization. Likewise the vast majority of U.S. black Protestants are of Muslim or animist heritage. --Angr/tɔk tə mi 04:47, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Sounds like the Angr fellow has it in for Protestants! Even if a bare majority, that's probably because many Americans are agnostic. Nobody really debates that there are more than twice as many Protestants as Catholics, or that Muslims and Jews are at most 2 or 3 percent. I'm ok to change author's supermajority to distinct majority, but Angr's assertion that America's heritage is Catholic is ignorant and probably shows some Anti-Protestant pro-Catholic bias.
- LOL. I never said America's heritage is Catholic. I was using a reductio ad absurdum argument against the idea that people identify with the religion of their ancestors without practicing it themselves. I don't know what "religious heritage" you would call me, since my parents grew up Baptist, converted to Catholicism after they were married, then later converted again to the Episcopal Church (i.e. neither Catholic nor Protestant), into which I was baptized and of which I am still a practicing member. --Angr/tɔk tə mi 07:24, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, from wikipedia, the name of your church is: "The Domestic and Foreign Missionary Society of the Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America". Many protestant churches (Lutheran) use the word Catholic, but they have not joined the Orthodox church and have broken with Rome, and most folks would call Episcopals Protestants.
- LOL. I never said America's heritage is Catholic. I was using a reductio ad absurdum argument against the idea that people identify with the religion of their ancestors without practicing it themselves. I don't know what "religious heritage" you would call me, since my parents grew up Baptist, converted to Catholicism after they were married, then later converted again to the Episcopal Church (i.e. neither Catholic nor Protestant), into which I was baptized and of which I am still a practicing member. --Angr/tɔk tə mi 07:24, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Sounds like the Angr fellow has it in for Protestants! Even if a bare majority, that's probably because many Americans are agnostic. Nobody really debates that there are more than twice as many Protestants as Catholics, or that Muslims and Jews are at most 2 or 3 percent. I'm ok to change author's supermajority to distinct majority, but Angr's assertion that America's heritage is Catholic is ignorant and probably shows some Anti-Protestant pro-Catholic bias.
- By that logic you may as well say that the vast majority of U.S. white Protestants are of "Catholic heritage" since their ancestors were Catholic before the Reformation. Or of "pagan heritage" since their ancestors were European pagans before Christianization. Likewise the vast majority of U.S. black Protestants are of Muslim or animist heritage. --Angr/tɔk tə mi 04:47, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Actually it is accurate. "Protestant heritage" (the term used in the article) is not the same as "Protestant by current religious affiliation", as you are trying to claim (many people who are not religious today are, e.g., the children or granchildren of Protestants, today they may identify themselves as non-religious but they are Protestant descent.) The fact is, it is indeed true that the large majority of people in the USA are of Protestant descent: perhaps 75%+ or so of US whites are Protestant or of Protestant descent, and almost all religiously affiliated US blacks are Protestants.
- Keep but fix or send to the Clean Up box.
- This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
