Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anthony Chidiac

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. WP:COI comes into mind, though it is in itself not a reason for deletion. However, I don't find the "keep" comments convincing. —Kurykh 00:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

NOTE - *Rdpaperclip (talk · contribs), T3Smile (talk · contribs), 60.241.91.14 (talk · contribs), and Achidiac (talk · contribs) have been blocked as sock puppets. See Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Achidiac. -- Jreferee t/c 16:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anthony Chidiac

Anthony Chidiac (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

I'm not convinced this person is notable. The article cites a few newspaper clippings that mention his name as the owner of a business. The bulk of the article is unsourced, probably self-biographical. Weregerbil 17:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete No opinion on notability, looks borderline, but the present article is blatantly promotional in tone. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per above. The article might be an autobiography or OR. Dare I say sockpuppetry? Bearian 02:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The article, like wikipedia, is a work in progress made by people who wanted to highligh his cause. I'm sure over time the content will be improved as others get to edit more into it. More media and articles about this person will follow when he gets to edit it himself. 10:20, 19 July 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.241.91.14 (talk • contribs). Strike duplicate !vote by T3smile —Travistalk 20:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - Promotional. Eyu100(t|fr|Version 1.0 Editorial Team) 04:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Hi There. I am the person being written about. I've been made aware of its inclusion in Wikipedia, looked at it, toning it down and taking a few things out that I am uncomfortable with. Please do not delete, work in progress.Achidiac
  • Keep - more information coming from industry peers, including content, news reports on TV, etc. Awaiting clearance for addition of further content. Definitely a person worth noting as a pioneer heralding change in the global entertainment industry.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by T3Smile (talk • contribs).
  • Update - this is still a work in progress aimed at highlighting this notable person. As I am new here, my studies over the next few months will complete this page as well as fill-in others as there are a lot of links to this guy that I need to verify before adding. Not an autobiography (I am female), just a great guy who did some big things to converge technology in the 90's and early 2000's.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by T3Smile (talk • contribs).
  • Sorry, but must people be so rude as to ignore comments here I'm making? Doesn't help anybody, especially me by just saying "promotional" and certainly is not an autobiography. If you want to add a comment like this, please show me where it is promotional and I'll fix it. Some people might have to read wiki guidelines with regards to new people. sheesh.--T3Smile 14:13, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment There hasn't been that much activity in this discussion since your last posts. In fact, I think I'm the only user to have made an edit after you. The promotional delete was accidentally deleted from the discussion before you posted your comments (this should be reflected by the timestamp and the history). It would probably be more correct to move the promotional delete comment up where it was before it was deleted. I will do that with this edit... I think it should be where it belongs. I think. -- Ben 14:22, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. If you search in Google, "Anthony Chidiac" seems to be an american gynecologist that had a traffic accident. Besides this, that seems to show non-notability, the article is too promotional and biographical (you can promote someone with his biography... that's absolutely possible!). E.g.: Why is there a photo of Chidiac's parents??? --Neigel von Teighen 14:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your thoughts and research Neigel. I had that problem with google too - try "anthony chidiac microsoft", or go to page 2 of your search. As mentioned in article, subject ordered the removal of all media pertaining to him to ensure his privacy after media circus surrounding Bill Gates Gig. Will delete reference to chidiac's parents. Anthony Chidiac Gyno article refers to a wrongly detained individual that made news due to circumstances. Not the same "Anthony Chidiac" - Gyno is in Florida, this guy is in Australia. Realise its possible to promote subject but not intended. Documenting notary person in history is my aim, however I never wrote for an encyclopedia before. When you mention "promotional" is it because I added links to other wiki sites? Need further clarity over how its deemed promotional - give examples. Again, thanks for your time and trouble. --T3Smile 14:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
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  • Delete no notability - all mentions through those articles are trivial and dont count for notability Corpx 01:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep wikipedia notability quote - "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" I think the fact that he pioneered the transformation of the internet cafe (as reported from reliable independent sources) and that he also scored a big gig with Bill Gates to do with his MPEG codec "transformation" work is more notable than somebodys dog being able to talk - in other words, there is more garb on wikipedia that has less notable content than this entry. This guy needs to be noted somehow, and I would be keen to see what else others can post to further support notability before making a harsh decision for deletion. I know of this guy - he's been on TV a few times here in Australia about his work - the last time I saw him on it was at christmas time. Note to others - try to look at ways to be more concise and less wordy. I'll try to help where I can. Apologies to all if the original "1st revision" was very plain and without much substance, links, and otherwise. --Rdpaperclip 02:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
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  • Delete - this seems like a self-promotion piece; notability is more than being quoted in a news rag, article, or being on television. What is the impact on society or culture of a given area due to their actions is what really seals the deal for me. --Storm Rider (talk) 04:35, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - per all above - NN self-promoting autobiography, from what I can tell. No notable press found even on google.com.au. —Travistalk 13:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Response to Travis - google.com.au "anthony chidiac microsoft" brings up Pinnacle Systems article 4th down in order, also page 2, ninth item notes from santos.net.au. This is only a quick scan from what I see. --T3Smile 19:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
    • I saw those, but I wrote "No notable press." That press release does not fit the definition of an independent source, and a small blurb on a band's website doesn't help, either. There is a barely-readable image of a newspaper article that is apparently the source of the previously-mentioned blurb. It might be notable, but since there is no newspaper name, date, or page number, it still doesn't help. —Travistalk 20:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
      • Thanks for the feedback Travis, I am making the call to "The Age" on Tuesday to see if they can restore the archived copy of this article electronically. I have copy of the article here too and need permission from the newspaper to upload - much easier to get the Age to re-instate it electronically with Anthony's permission to do so. It was on Page 1 of the "Multimedia" Section. I can quote you the source of where the age got the information from too - Ian Naughton, Multimedia Victoria.--T3Smile 21:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Response to Storm Rider: sir you are brilliant. Your description on impact on society has propelled me to re-think how the introduction is worded to reflect such, and I will now edit such introduction to reflect what would hopefully "seal the deal" for you and a consensus of others. I really appreciate your comment. Bit rich though to note a deletion is necessary on my first piece of work. Again, as mentioned previously its not an autobiography the colleague is the subject of my thesis work. Thankyou. --T3Smile 19:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Update - hello to all, I found a wad of compelling documentary, music and video evidence that I will upload to a website once I get the permission to do so. This will take time, as it has documents from WB, Jackson, Headline News, and really neat clippings in different languages. This new info prompted me to do a re-write and I hope you like it. Biggest problem I need to overcome is really getting Anthony Chidiac's permission to do so, and this discussion is really not helping as only a few people here have added any commentary worth noting about and prompting me to make relevant changes for encyclopaedic compliance. Need to remember, a lot of this guys work happened when the internet was a cloud of thought and WikiPedia wasn't even dreamed of.--T3Smile 21:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Note- Could someone advise me how long this process takes? I need to move on to provide information on other people that link off this guy that are either stubs of (so I can get more info about), or have notable bios of as well. But it starts with this guy. If this is deleted I cannot put any more information about other Notable people in the Australian Technology Industry as my time and effort will be a waste.--T3Smile 21:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

    • It usually runs for a week. If an administrator comes along and decides that "it's over"... Then it's over. -- Ben 21:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Dear Wikipedians, thanks for adding me. There were over 1200 articles written on my career achievements and I have them stored for my daughter to reference when she is older. I would agree to such material being used, scanned, YouTubed, and added so long as part or all of my entry here on Wikipedia is locked out to vandalism. I know of only one of the two or three that have written about me here. Please make contact with me by messaging me for this material. I have viewed some of my other colleagues and was shocked to see such vandalism being made. One such example - Peter Andre intro was edited to say that he was a bisexual. Laughable but seriously defamatory. Glad to see "guardians" keep them clean, but I would prefer part of this entry to be locked. Thankyou --Achidiac 11:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • comment added a few more pics of the cafe concept and sent message to T3Smile regarding: "History making DVD" - Need to get Microsoft Corp approval for a 30 second snip only - wont be a problem considering over 2000 given away at the Expo. Headline News Video from sources to be posted on YouTube after T3Smile gets approvals and linked to this article. 9am with Dave and Kim TV show may publish video report or may give approval to publish on YouTube. Note to T3Smile and others - keep looking for the newsworthy stuff that makes people giggle - note the entry I made on the challenge I had before we opened the internet cafe concept - quips and controversy was quite amusing and likely a better read than bignoting (yawn). I wont be back for a few weeks as I have family commitments. Wishing you all the best and when I get back can write more concisely about the 1980's Digital Audio Editors that were out there before ProTools (Atari and Amiga Variants that used the 680x0 chipset).--Achidiac 13:57, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete the article fails WP:NOR, and the subject isn't notable. Also fails WP:BIO. What is really disturbing is that the subject himself is editing the article in violation of WP:AUTO. GreenJoe 14:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Nigel and these searches which yield press releases and trivial mentions. Addhoc 18:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • comment I'm really disappointed that some people here cannot read, have made the subject of this article upset, and will soon make the Student in question that has continued to evolve the article very upset as well. Addhoc, thanks for the thoughts, but even the article itself talks about the articles written on the subject were pulled from view at the subjects request due to the negative repercussions and we're really counting on having the subject himself authorise the re-release of such material in order for us to refer to, and utilise, such works. That, in itself, would be quite worthy and in fact, newsworthy if it can be done. Gee he's got stuff from MJ and Gates and a phenomenal load of content - schematics of the ADAP II, history of digital audio editing etc. etc. that deserves to be here and we can collaborate and debate on. I have known in the past for such article work on wikipedia to spurn great educational content to magically appear from other sources...leaving this article on for only a few days before deletion wont hit the 15,000 people that were there at the DVD Gig, nor will the 11 million people who viewed the TV shows comment further about it. In time, this article will have succinct definition, for now its got a great set of legs.--Rdpaperclip 18:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - suggesting that other editors can't read isn't helping. Addhoc 19:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • comment really appreciate the comments and time you have placed in your thoughts here addhoc. I acknowledge the sources are weak but that could be solved by asking me/community to dig up more sources and/or publish, which is what is best for this article (put up a notable source message not a deletion message to start with). Deletion is a last resort option, not a first resort one. Please allow this encyclopedia to be able to note other computer pioneers that dont actually reside in America. Don't forget, the bionic ear was an Australian Invention and Australia does have some formidable talent in the field of I.T.--Rdpaperclip 04:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

A NOTE FROM SUBJECT OF THIS ARTICLE: Look, I'm really sick and tired of wallys that all they want to do is degrade people trying to give back something to the global community as part of their background work by writing in here for free. I see none of the people that added their delete recommendation have done really anything to change the way we do things in society and neither do any of the initial people that recommended this article (which was only a few lines long at the time) for deletion offer any assistance or advice to the authors as to how to satisfy the wikipedia guidelines (read:guidelines). So could someone please advise the two or three authors how to get all this material about me off this site if people here intend to denigrate and defame this entry in this "marked for deletion" page. GreenJoe, you are probably more disturbing to just berate new people wanting to contribute to the greater community, your comments completely unfounded and you most certainly offended me. A budding University Student in a minority group was just trying to get some great material to pass and achieve her Masters (why dont you read the authors profiles?) If I wanted to correct others to keep an article about me factual and something I am comfortable about letting the world know than it is MY RIGHT to do so. It also makes mention of such in WP:AUTO. Now, even the subject of this article thinks the article may not seem appropriate here if w@nkers that interpret their own set of rules derived from their own head degrade people trying to achieve literary outcomes and become contributors, bringing information about culture and other information not on this site that is worthy of addition. if you want to comment or vote, then a better explanation as to why is required, or better still, you could edit and make the article noteworthy or encyclopaedic. Likely will take you less time to edit and make it conform than to degrade newcomers on their first try at this. I will recommend to the Wiki Admin that all one liner type 'votes' be disregarded as per deletion policy that does not look at this process as a collation of votes but a collective reasoning. Two words is not a reason. I know another two words people can say to you too. Thankyou.--Achidiac 17:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

If you're going to contribute to Wikipedia, you have to learn not to take it personally. You're just not-notable, and an article on you doesn't merit inclusion. Also your writing WILL be edited mercilessly. See also WP:OWN. Now get over yourself. GreenJoe 23:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - Non notable biography which has an apparent conflict of interest. Miranda 00:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
  • comment GreenJoe, you are completely out of line in your behavior here. Wiki admins, please omit and suppress this guy from taking part in this discussion about deletion. The further he adds damaging and degrading comments the more it sends this user encyclopaedia into disrepute. The person that is the subject of such study has the right to voice his opinion as much as everyone else does if someone wants to write about his notability and I strongly support his viewpoint. As for editing merciliessly, that would be a good thing as editing mercilessly versus deletion are far different things, and there is always reversion to previous versions if others disagree with such editing, but the guy still has encyclopaedic "notoriety" (bad word, but who else do you know got a gig with Bill Gates? Did a remix for a Michael Jackson hit that sparked artists to record and edit digitally, and Uses airline seats to change the way we view the internet cafes?) . By editing merciliessly versus deletion, one means that the community can add opinion to the slant of such article. From a WP:COI point of view I have viewed edits made by subject himself and they seem to be of a negative slant towards himself and he takes out pompous and frivolous information, adds "near tragedy" and riveting material as to how the events occurred so its hardly writing as if conflict of interest. If the guy wanted his biography up here he would have written it himself on his user page and then asked the community if there was any notoriety there. As it stands, I initiated such article, had support from a student who was writing her thesis on Australian pioneers of computing, and invited comment and debate for such. Its simply not a deletion but a cleanup and more notable sources should be dug up.--Rdpaperclip 04:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
  • keep - I know of this guy. I thought he was dead or something. Great read. Needs more sources but on reading this section it looks like they will be provided in good time. Very much enjoyed the "challenges" section. Can be edited some more. Credit goes to the newbie that did most of the editing.--220.237.180.4 06:33, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
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  • Delete. Conflict of interest, non-notable, spawning likely sockpuppetry. I don't know anyone else who got a gig with Bill Gates etc etc, but from the looks of the sources neither do the media (whose publishing is the only thing that matters) either. Calliopejen1 13:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

So many comments. I'm deeply disappointed that my first article noting an Australian pioneer is met with such censure and really nasty comments from people that do not live in Australia, except one person here I think. Note to Calliopejeni - The sources are major newspapers and publications in Australia, and there are a few American sources there too. I logged in today and my front page was about domenico selvo, who is arguably a foundation layer for the republic of venice. Dont see any news articles about him and a lot of the content is hearsay translated through stories.--T3Smile 15:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

  • article help please - I've stepped away from it for a day and I don't really like the intro of it. I feel it sounds like he is the best thing since sliced bread, where in fact he is an Australian computer pioneer, "got a gig with bill" (as per comments) did big things with big artists in the digital audio domain by desiging a digital editor pre ProTools, and transformed the internet cafe with a real-life example of how a licensed bar, club, "airline" chair seating converges to encourage not defeat social interaction. Does anyone have thoughts on such? Please don't delete, I just need more guidance as to how to write it better. --T3Smile 15:47, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
  • strong keep great entry for a 1st timer. refs on notability weak but sufficient. cleanup necessary - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.171.197.161 (talk • contribs).
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  • Delete The article appears to be an autobiography or self-promotion. Brianga 09:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I believe I heard about Anthony from the Stan Mitchell Interview on 3AW. The quote you put in this article under "Challenges" made me remember such, but you didn't note your source to this information in the entry. I believe that is why some people here are quoting autobiography/self-promotion. Most of the information here was covered in that interview, however you would need to keep to the facts of that interview unless there are other sources, and again you will need to quote them. This interview I believe took place in 2001, and it piggybacked the Bonacci & Wood Interview prior to the Bill Gates Extravaganza. Would it be worth mentioning such interview as a reference? I think people here are trying to establish source of all this information, and though the author(s) here are new to this, if you don't mention your main source of all of the information the whole article smells like a rotten fish. For the people outside of Australia, Stan Mitchell's Radio Show on 3AW is a talk show and made the radio station the no.1 most listened to in Melbourne/Australia. --220.237.180.4 23:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Nice timing. :). Is there a transcipt of this around somewhere? Please don't put "keep" on two comments... It tends to make people think that you are trying to stuff the ballot box. I'm striking the keep. -- Ben 23:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
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