Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annette M. Böckler

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No consensus. Deathphoenix ʕ 16:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Annette M. Böckler

Delete this lady is a professor of Jewish studies at what appears to be a high school associated with Heidelberg University, or if I am mistaken, a college at the same. Her claim to fame is translating a prayerbook and a Torah and a Haggadah. She is claimed to be a seminal figure in "liberal judaism" -- a movement I have never heard of -- and I am a practicing Jew. Here's her English CV [1] and here's a slightly helpful description of the "college" [2]. On the whole, she's very NN. 15 google hits for her full name, including de:WP. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 15:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Delete --Hooperbloob 16:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and cleanup, per the tag that was already there. Disclosure:I removed the PROD that CrzR placed. It's not written very well now, but I propose that one of the acknowledged re-founders of a notable religious movement in a large country is notable. I believe "Liberal Judaism" is supposed to be Reform Judaism. The University of Heidelberg is internationally famous, and its site says the Hochschule is "the leading center of Jewish scholarship in Germany". I get 220 Google hits for "Annette M. Böckler", and 917 for "Annette Böckler", including this DE Wikipedia Article which I can't read, but looks impressive. She meets one or more of WP:PROFTEST criteria 3, "large quantity of academic work" (from the DE wikipedia article), 5, "originating an important new concept, theory or idea" and 6, "involvement in significant events relating to their academic achievements" (from founding the reform movement). AnonEMouse 17:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC)Condensed from half a dozen posts by mutual agreement
  • The historical predecessor of the American movement that originated in 19th Century Germany no longer exists. The German article refers to coupla books that look like Bible criticism ("God as Father in the Old Testament", etc) and her translations. She's basically a prof, and she fails WP:PROFTEST: two books, one more co-authored, 7 articles, some as short as four pages, and a few translations, I bet are the minimum a professor anywhere would have to produce to keep her job. The Union of Progressive Jews in Germany movement, with only 3000 members, is nothing. As for the Google searches, I guess I shouldn't have searched for her with her middle name expanded. That would be 84 unique GHits for "Annette M. Böckler" and 226 unique without the M. Still not big enough for me.CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 17:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)Condensed from half a dozen posts by mutual agreement
• Comment. I am inclined to keep it because of the German Wikipedia entry. However, it would be useful if someone who speaks German could read it and see what it says for sure. Capitalistroadster 20:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment The German page was created by user Amb (name and edit history suggest it might be the subject of the article herself); said user asked that the article be deleted on May 11, claiming it (presumably the edited version) was offensive and hurting her image. In the AfD discussion (the German equivalent, anyway) an anonymous user suggested that it is very offensive to mention the conversion of a person to Judaism (apparently, she used to be a Christian minister);it could presumably hurt her career as a Jewish scholar. Pretty much all the deletion discussion revolved around this issue (resulting in a clear keep), notability was only mentioned in passing (inconclusive). – As for the amount of publications, these are just selections (that's what "Auswahl" in the German article means). – The "Hochschule für Jüdische Studien" is closely associated with the University of Heidelberg, but not part of it; and she is not full or tenured, but assistant professor (basically someone with a PhD). – The liberal jews thingy she co-founded (Union of Progressive Jews in Germany) is quite notable. – My impression as a total layman is that she seems to be notable enough for a German Jewish scholar. Rl 15:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the research. AnonEMouse 16:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per the professor test. Stifle (talk) 19:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
• keep if verifiable google is not the only factor Yuckfoo 18:25, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
• delete please as per comments above - Hahnchen 09:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. As an academic she is borderline (not a full professor, just a wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin) but her role in the German Jewish community probably makes her notable enough, and her article on the German Wikipedia appears not to be contested, except possibly by herself and for reasons not related to her notability. u p p l a n d 14:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.