Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anna Maria Pertl Mozart
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep. Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 21:48, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Anna Maria Pertl Mozart
Just because she is the mother of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart does not necessarily make her notable enough to have her own article. Zzyzx11 | Talk 01:51, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Redirect to Wolfgang Amadeus MozartTobycat 02:10, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Redirect —Wahoofive (Talk) 03:17, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Redirect, it can be broken out if useful info ever turns up. Mgm|(talk) 11:40, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
- Redirect agree with MGM. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:55, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. The page's title does not conform with naming conventions for married women in German-speaking countries, but follows American practice. Martg76 19:24, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- You don't delete a misnamed article, you rename it. ---Isaac R 00:15, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Only if the person is notable on her own, which I think she is not. I voted delete because the wrong title makes the riderect proposed by the voters above superfluous. Martg76 08:22, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Fair enough. But it's reasonable for people to assume that the first thing you say after you vote is your rationale for that vote. You might want to indicate more clearly when your commenting on other people's votes. ---Isaac R
- That was obvious at the time of voting (when there were only redirect votes) and is obvious even now because of the order of votes. Martg76 21:29, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Fair enough. But it's reasonable for people to assume that the first thing you say after you vote is your rationale for that vote. You might want to indicate more clearly when your commenting on other people's votes. ---Isaac R
- Only if the person is notable on her own, which I think she is not. I voted delete because the wrong title makes the riderect proposed by the voters above superfluous. Martg76 08:22, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- You don't delete a misnamed article, you rename it. ---Isaac R 00:15, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Keep and move to the right title. She is an important historical figure as she heavily influenced W.A.Mozart and we cannot understand him and his work without knowing her. Much information about her can be found online (use Google). --Eleassar777 19:31, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Keep Notable mother. Klonimus 21:11, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Klonimus voted "keep". Further, the article fails to establish notability. --Carnildo 22:14, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Being related to two famous people ain't much, but it's all Chelsea Clinton has. not to mention the Bush twins. I won't say that Anna is more notable than a minor Canadian politician, but she's in the same league! ¶ In any case, it's absurd to talk about a redirect. Anna Maria Perti Mozart is not another name for Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. ---Isaac R 23:02, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Keep - do not redirect to her son's page (but rename if deemed appropriate - it certainly would not have been the name she was ever known by). There are plenty less notable and less interesting people who have biographies on Wikipedia. I concur with Eleassar777's comments above that she is important for the influence she would have had on an extremely notable composer. --AYArktos 23:36, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. She had some influence on his career travelling with him and verifiable data exists about her. Capitalistroadster 00:38, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Merge with Mozart. Radiant_* 08:05, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. notable. N-Mantalk 11:59, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Redirect. Her influence can be placed with the Mozart article.
- keep' please Yuckfoo 16:46, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect. Not independently notable. Any influence on Mozart should be discussed in context. Rossami (talk) 18:02, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Nothing in the article indicates notability. Having a famous offspring does not make one notable. By that logic, we should have articles on all four of Mozart's grandparents, because clearly they are parents of the notable mother of Mozart. Mozart's great grandparents would then also need inclusion, ad nauseum. Quale 01:43, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Of course she is notable. Paul August ☎ 13:40, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. We can't have articles on every single relative of a famous person. Gamaliel 04:37, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, not notrable. The bio link could be added to Mozart's article. Pavel Vozenilek 12:39, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Delete unless someone can actually find something that makes her (rather than her offspring) notable. XmarkX 20:44, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. She influenced Wolfgang Mozart greatly, and she has an article in the Mozart Project -- Tony Jin | (talk) 05:17, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep! It's all been said, she was a very important person in the life of one of the most famouse people ever. I think that's enough for her to deserve an article.--Sterio 12:52, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
- Redirect--Prem 05:59, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep per Eleassar777 and others. Kappa 19:57, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Comments
- Anna Maria Pertl Mozart passes the pokemon test. Klonimus 01:11, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
- The test is available here. --Eleassar777 07:21, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
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