Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andy Capp glossary

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Andy Capp glossary

Andy Capp glossary (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Wikipedia is not a dictionary, specifically Wikipedia articles are not usage guides or slang and idiom guides. We aren't teaching people how to talk like a Cockney chimney-sweep, or a British gent. Other gloassaries exist, but they are for words specific to the topic. Most if the words here are in common everyday use. This is the same as having a Calvin and Hobbes glossary and including translations like In the United States they refer to autumn as "fall". Saikokira 23:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete - Wikipedia is not a, uh, comic book's dialect dictionary. --Haemo 23:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and Rename. It seems the article could be salvaged somehow, as Andy Capp is certainly notable, and the content adds context to the Comic itself. It is more than just a list in this context, and the article explains this and why the terms are important. As they are not "real" definitions, I can't buy the "wikipedia is not a dictionary" arguement, however, since purpose isn't to give 'real' definitions but to explain the words used. Change name to anything besides "glossary" though. Pharmboy 23:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong delete. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. We already have dozens of CockneyMiscellaneous Britspeak-American dictionaries out there, this one doesn't need to exist. The tie to Andy Capp is especially shaky, seeing as he's not the only one who talks that way. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 00:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. What is all this about cockney slang? Andy is a Georgie - quite different. --Bduke 00:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Actually, Smythe heavily watered down the NE dialect. The strip had to appeal to a generic working class readership, so the majority of it is generic 1950s colloquial English. Gordonofcartoon 00:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete: WP:DICT is very clear about "slang, jargon, or usage guides". It's also probably original research in producing a novel synthesis of material from Andy Capp and dictionaries. Plus, as TenPoundHammer says, very little of it is unique to Andy Capp. Gordonofcartoon 00:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete inferring definitions from the usage of words would be WP:OR Corpx 02:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom and TenPoundHammer. --Metropolitan90 04:14, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Haemo - I'll defend genuinely encyclopedic glossary list articles to the death, since MoS explicitly recognizes them as valid, at WP:SAL, but cor blimey, this innit one of'm, mate. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 09:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Wow, I haven't seen Andy Capp in years. I enjoyed the article, and appreciate that the author has written it very well. However, I tend to agree that we shouldn't have an article about terms used in a particular comic strip. Part of the fun of Andy Capp was that, growing up, I had to figure out what the slang words meant by reading them in context. The same can be said of Snuffy Smith, the Appalachian counterpart to Mr. Capp (speaking of which, there used to be some mixup on the names of Andy Capp and Li'l Abner creator Al Capp). My point is that fans of the strip don't need the article; persons who are not fans won't read the article. Consider adding to the existing Andy Capp article for some of the more obscure terms. But no merge, by any means. Andy would be the first to say "'up it!" if Flo brought a bloomin' dictionary into his world. Mandsford 15:20, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Transwiki to Wiktionary. Otto4711 16:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete As far as I can tell, none of this seems to be truly specific to Andy Capp: it's mostly just common UK slang, and in some cases not even that (carry on? dustbin? shocking?). While this is clearly a good-faith contribution that the creator put a lot of effort into, the underlying thinking is just misguided. Think about it: the word "rad" was used on the sitcom Full House, but does that mean there should be a "Glossary of Full House"? No, because it's a common and widely-used slang term which is neither exclusive to Full House nor originated there, just as "dustbin" is far from exclusive to Andy Capp. If any of the included words are exclusive to Andy Capp (and I don't see any) they should be merged into the main article. Finally, extremely vague sourcing like "Andy Capp strips, 1957-1985." is not acceptable. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:DICT, WP:N. J-stan Talk 03:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.