Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Shaw

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Flowerparty☀ 00:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Andrew Shaw

Rabbi at a London synagogue. Previously {{prod}}ded but notice was removed. Not sure what the notability criteria for clergy are in WP, but nothing in the article suggests this person is notable according to guidelines in WP:BIO. Delete. Qwghlm 15:30, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, it does claim notability: he's the bloke who ran the "60 Days for 60 Years" programme thing, which (it says) was quite popular. He also seems to be notable within the Jewish community, but not being Jewish, I wouldn't exactly know. By the way, you know that you don't need to bung that ugly "Delete" thing at the end of your nomination, right? A good nomination will make the argument for deletion for better than any misguided attempt at "voting" will. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 17:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

The project's notability is questionable. Google searches for it [1] [2] are about 540 hits, which is not that many; it ranks outside Alexa's top 100,000 [3]. The claims for the book's popularity and readership are unsubstantiated and use weasel words ("He has been said to have inspired..."). Additionally, there is no record of the book in the British Library catalogue [4]. Qwghlm 23:51, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep for now; see if claims can be verified. If the claims about hundreds of thousands of people requesting his book can be verified, then I think he would count as a notable author. And if the Tribe thing can be shown to be a big deal, then I think he would count as a widely recognized professional. --Allen 17:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep for now, if claims can be verified, keep per author, if not, delete as nn -- Tawker 17:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Nintendude (contribs) has Moved this page to Andrew Shaw (rabbi) in order to create a DAB page between this guy and a high school football player of the same name. The high school kid has no article, and if one were created I suspect it sould be quickly AfD'ed. Fan1967 19:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep this article, and definitely, without question, kill that disambiguation page! --Deville (Talk) 20:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Can we get an admin to Revert the move? Fan1967 20:44, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I think we're going to have to when all is said and done. --Deville (Talk) 21:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I've asked the Mover if he'd consider reverting it. Fan1967 21:07, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the page should not have been moved; the other (currently non-existent) article seems to be about an even less notable person than the subject of this AfD. Qwghlm 23:51, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

The editor responsible seems to have a strong affinity (vanity?) for Tim Shaw, a Penn State football player, even to the point of randomly inserting his less notable siblings' names elsewhere (see this, for example). Even Tim doesn't look that notable: some playing time as a freshman, redshirt sophomore, great season as a junior in 2004, and, per PSU's team site, didn't play this past season. But we absolutely don't need redlinks for his brothers. Fan1967 00:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.