Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Kepple

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. --Sam Blanning(talk) 12:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Andrew Kepple

This article was deleted through the WP:PROD system, but a person has disputed this on DRV. Because of that, I have undeleted the article and brought it here. No vote. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:35, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

    • 'Comment: The reasoning stated in the "prod" was as follows:
      • he who draws NN internet things shall be NN. Apparently, not all webcomics are NN, but he hasn't drawn any with articles
  • Keep. Have you no heart to consider him nonnotable? I am not going to support this with a lame "He is just famous on the internet," but rather, he has earned a good number of awards in Newgrounds, achieved high fame in Albino Blacksheep, especially with his Lemon Demon music videos and his best known animutation, French Erotic Film, and is a regular contributor to both sites. Many people follow his style of Flash animation, and he is widely respected throughout the internet. He did make some non-notable works, but that does not make him non-notable, because of French Erotic Film, Zero Wing Rhapsody, Only Superhuman, and a good share of others. Plus, Veloso, the author of Irrational Exuberence, is also there, and Kepple is just as popular. Another supporting point: since French Erotic Film is mentioned in the Wikipedia several times, and there is a page on Ome Henk's song, Opblaaskrokodil, in which Kepple wrote French Erotic Film, there should be a page on Andrew Kepple. One final pointer: not all famous flash persons draw ALL notable works. AltF4 is famous MOSTLY because of The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny and seldom anything else. There is just one undeniable thing that there is: this page is in a stark need of a cleanup, but does not deserve to be deleted. In conclusion, even if this page is not saved, it should. Thanks for listening to my long, boring speech, and thanks for showing no respect to the animutation world (in a sarcastic way), to all those who say otherwise as below. --Wartys Neryon 9:13, 16 May 2006 (PTC)
  • Delete Internet Flash animator. I get just 180 unique Google hits, so the old "but he's famous on the internet!" excuse doesn't apply here. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 11:25, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
    • His work may be more noted than he is, but it doesn't change his notability. Certainly, more people knew of Seinfeld than Larry David, but his notability wouldn't have been in question. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 15:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as having no readily apparent claim to encyclopaedic notability. Cicierega's work is borderline for my money, and this looks so much like an attempt at search engine optimisation (look at all those links!) that I have a hard time taking it seriously. Where are the multiple non-trivial mentions in reliable secondary sources? Just zis Guy you know? 11:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as per above. --TM 14:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. --cholmes75 15:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per above. RGTraynor 16:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Per above, not enough notoriety. --Zer0faults 16:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. The presence of other articles on non-notable people is a reason to delete the others, not a reason to keep this one. — Haeleth Talk 18:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - as per above. Another reason why notability is subjective, POV, and should not be used as a criteria for inclusion in or deletion from Wikipedia. DanielZimmerman 18:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Not Voting Again, But Getting to the Facts. I posted here to disprove and dispel your ideal, Haeleth. Veloso was famed because of Irrational Exuberence. You just did not go to Albino Blacksheep very often. It is a big site, just like Newgrounds, and it hosts that and French Erotic Film, both famous titles there. You are just ignorant of Albino Blacksheep and the world of Animutation, plus Ome Henk is notable in the Netherlands and (after French Erotic Film) the internet. --Wartys Neryon 18:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment - A lot of keep comments seem to say that he's active and notable on the "Animutations" circuit. How large is this community exactly? If you could give actual numbers, that would help. - Hahnchen 14:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment - Sorry to go on this commenting thing again. Anyway, to take a far less aggressive approach, he was famous because of his animutation series, the Colin Mochrie vs. JHC trilogy, which can be seen on Albino Blacksheep but he wasn't just an animutator, but also a cartoonist in general: a contributor of two major entertainment sites. Somehow, Andrew Kepple is on the WikiProject Webcomics, and is threatened for deletion because of that. If only we could take the webcomic business as very little as possible and only mention the webcomic stuff on the external links (as is the page on Neil Cicierega, where his Farchie Archie webcomic is only mentioned in the external links), this might help just at least a bit by taking it out of WikiProject Webcomics. I wouldn't really care if the page is gone, but I do have a slight feeling he is notable in a ways. Oh yes, and there is about a few hundred members right now (I believe) in the Animutation Mailing List, but if anyone has a reliable source of information in regards to how large the animutation world is, please post it here. Forgive me, all y'all, for being rather stubborn. -- Wartys Neryon 3:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
  • This has been listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Webcomics/Deletion. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 19:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per JzG --Hetar 22:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

  • No vote, for now, and comment. I'm a big fan of TmsT's work, and I tend to hang out in the same online circles as him, such as the Animutation discussion list and the Lemon Demon forums; given that, I probably have an imbalanced perspective of his notability, since he is indeed quite noted relative to those communities. I don't have a good sense of how widely noted he is on the Internet in general, though if the article is to be kept, then it should include explanation of his notability, which it currently lacks.

    Colin Mochrie himself is apparently a fan of the Colin vs. Jesus trilogy, which would probably be a point in favour of Kepple's notability, but I'll need to find a reliable source for that.—Adam Atlas 23:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep per above. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 23:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep Few people in his line of work get mentioned in newspapers. JoshuaZ 01:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment -- Yes, but one would think that if he were genuinely notable, he'd be mentioned on the Internet. Which he hasn't particularly been either. RGTraynor 08:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - per above - Hahnchen 10:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep May not be notable in my world of interest, but very notable in his own realm. We must divorce our interests and biases in deciding notability.  : ) Lonesomedovechocolate 17:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. As Animutations go, his work is among the best known. Bryan 06:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - per all delete votes above. Zaxem 11:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.