Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrea Ferrari
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: there's no dispute over the facts here (that he's a third-choice player for Atalanta), only over whether those facts make the guy notable, so this is one of those things that comes down almost entirely to opinion. And 4-2 is just short of the weight necessary to be defined as 'consensus'. No consensus, then. --Sam Blanning(talk) 15:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Andrea Ferrari
Third-choice goalkeeper, not first-choice as claimed by the article; he has never played a Serie A game at all [1]. Angelo 20:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Angelo 20:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, can be re-created in case he gets to play a Serie A match. – Elisson • T • C • 20:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - He may not have played any matches, but WP:BIO states: "Articles about first team squad members who have not made a first team appearance may also be appropriate, but only if the individual is at a club of sufficient stature that most members of its squad are worthy of articles." Given he is a first-team squad member [2], and Atalanta are in Serie A, which marks them out as having enough stature in my book, he satisfies the criteria laid out. Qwghlm 21:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- I hope you're kidding. There's nothing more to say about this guy than "He is the third goalkeeper for Atalanta". He never played a pro match, and maybe he would never play in Serie A. And, additionally, is Atalanta of "enough stature"? I doubt, we're not talking about Man Utd or AC Milan. --Angelo 21:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Not notable. =Axlq 04:30, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. He is a registered first-team squad member. ArtVandelay13 00:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- In Italy, you don't register first team members, as it happens instead for UEFA competitions. Theorically, even a 15-years-old kid can play Serie A, if he has a regular contract with that club. --Angelo 01:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- ....and if he did so I would venture to suggest he would be notable enough for a WP article ChrisTheDude 07:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- ...but in this case every single player signed by a Serie A team, no matter his age, should have an article in Wikipedia. Including Maldini's son. Is this what you really want? --Angelo 10:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- I think that any player who has played in Serie A should have an article. Players who haven't played a first-team match should be assessed individually based on how likely it is that they might play for the first team. Obviously Maldini's son would not fall into this category.... ChrisTheDude 11:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- Well, this is not the case. This guy named Ferrari is the third-choice goalkeeper, as he is the Primavera youth squad goalie (very common fact in Italy): but if you know football, you probably also know it's very unlikely for a third-choice goalkeeper to appear in a league match. For instance, Valerio Fiori, the third-choice goalkeeper for AC Milan since 1999, played only one Serie A league match, in 2002/2003. --Angelo 11:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- Fair enough then :-) ChrisTheDude 11:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- But he is registered in the sense that he has a squad number (and the number 1, no less), no? ArtVandelay13 18:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, but there's no limit in squad number registrations in Italy; you can assign a free squad number to a player whenever you want, and there's no maximum limit of registered players by the way. They are announced weekly here; if you take a look there right now, you'll find out they are all unknown players. Actually, you register a player when you are in need of someone to fill the bench for. --Angelo 15:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- But the question is not so much what they can do, as what they have done. And Atalanta have seen fit to give him the number 1 shirt. ArtVandelay13 22:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- There's a Serie B team, U.S. Triestina, where there is an absolutely good fit for the no 10 shirt: Generoso Rossi. Notably, he is a goalkeeper. Any more examples ;)?--Angelo 23:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Well, he's still a first-team player. Squad numbers are the clearest definition of this - it was used as the threshold on a recent vote on some Liverpool FC players.
- There's a Serie B team, U.S. Triestina, where there is an absolutely good fit for the no 10 shirt: Generoso Rossi. Notably, he is a goalkeeper. Any more examples ;)?--Angelo 23:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- But the question is not so much what they can do, as what they have done. And Atalanta have seen fit to give him the number 1 shirt. ArtVandelay13 22:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, but there's no limit in squad number registrations in Italy; you can assign a free squad number to a player whenever you want, and there's no maximum limit of registered players by the way. They are announced weekly here; if you take a look there right now, you'll find out they are all unknown players. Actually, you register a player when you are in need of someone to fill the bench for. --Angelo 15:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- But he is registered in the sense that he has a squad number (and the number 1, no less), no? ArtVandelay13 18:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- Fair enough then :-) ChrisTheDude 11:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- Well, this is not the case. This guy named Ferrari is the third-choice goalkeeper, as he is the Primavera youth squad goalie (very common fact in Italy): but if you know football, you probably also know it's very unlikely for a third-choice goalkeeper to appear in a league match. For instance, Valerio Fiori, the third-choice goalkeeper for AC Milan since 1999, played only one Serie A league match, in 2002/2003. --Angelo 11:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- I think that any player who has played in Serie A should have an article. Players who haven't played a first-team match should be assessed individually based on how likely it is that they might play for the first team. Obviously Maldini's son would not fall into this category.... ChrisTheDude 11:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- ...but in this case every single player signed by a Serie A team, no matter his age, should have an article in Wikipedia. Including Maldini's son. Is this what you really want? --Angelo 10:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- ....and if he did so I would venture to suggest he would be notable enough for a WP article ChrisTheDude 07:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- In Italy, you don't register first team members, as it happens instead for UEFA competitions. Theorically, even a 15-years-old kid can play Serie A, if he has a regular contract with that club. --Angelo 01:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Not a first team player. Allow recreation if he ever appears in the first team. Catchpole 07:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
